Red Mosquito

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

Nah man, Lukin is pure punk. Those 4 rudimentary power chords, that driving 4/4 rhythm, the vocal syncopation, it's like something out of one of those early hardcore punk songs from the early 80s. To my ears, it's the "punkest" Pearl Jam ever sounded.

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

theplatypus wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

Nah man, Lukin is pure punk. Those 4 rudimentary power chords, that driving 4/4 rhythm, the vocal syncopation, it's like something out of one of those early hardcore punk songs from the early 80s. To my ears, it's the "punkest" Pearl Jam ever sounded.

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

Dave Matthews Band?

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

megadeth, yeah. that kinda stuff.

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

megadeth, yeah. that kinda stuff.

Interesting. To me MYM sounds more like heavy metal than punk. But they're close cousin genres aren't they? They borrow from each other a lot. But, yeah, MYM feels more metal to me whereas Lukin feels like pure punk.

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

Dave Matthews Band?

I have equal disdain for Megadeth and DMB, but otherwise, no. sry tmct

malice wrote:

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

Dave Matthews Band?

I have equal disdain for Megadeth and DMB, but otherwise, no. sry tmct

what other things do you have disdain for?

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

Dave Matthews Band?

I have equal disdain for Megadeth and DMB, but otherwise, no. sry tmct

what other things do you have disdain for?

oh, good god - I'd need an entire forum all to myself for that subject!

ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?
maybe I'll just shove everything under the general subject heading of : why, gen y, why?

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:

malice wrote:

spike wrote:i'd almost label lukin more heavy metal than punk.

what kind of heavy metal - gimme an example of something you'd liken it to, something you'd liken to lukin?

i don't know, in my head it reminds me of early metallica maybe. i haven't listened to lukin for years.

yeah- speed metal... I think. what was the other band from that era - Dave Mustane's band I think?

Dave Matthews Band?

I have equal disdain for Megadeth and DMB, but otherwise, no. sry tmct

what other things do you have disdain for?

oh, good god - I'd need an entire forum all to myself for that subject!

ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?
maybe I'll just shove everything under the general subject heading of : why, gen y, why?

What's the cut-off point for gen y?

I was born in 1984 and I've never been sure which "gen" I am.

tommymctom wrote:What's the cut-off point for gen y?

I was born in 1984 and I've never been sure which "gen" I am.

gen mcy

tommymctom wrote:What's the cut-off point for gen y?

I was born in 1984 and I've never been sure which "gen" I am.

you're prolly a cusper - but I think of gen y as someone whose parents were baby boomers.

malice wrote: ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?

I like to over-intellectualize music. I try not to do it to Pearl Jam too often, but it's hard not to get caught in the conversations. I'm sorry you have to read through it.

theplatypus wrote:

malice wrote: ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?

I like to over-intellectualize music. I try not to do it to Pearl Jam too often, but it's hard not to get caught in the conversations. I'm sorry you have to read through it.

If it makes you feel better, I enjoy reading it. And discussing as well. So...

theplatypus wrote:

malice wrote: ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?

I like to over-intellectualize music. I try not to do it to Pearl Jam too often, but it's hard not to get caught in the conversations. I'm sorry you have to read through it.

don't worry about it, chap. you guys don't need to apologize for your perceptions, and certainly not to me. I only made the comment because it's difficult for me being about the only representative of gen-x here ...I know doug (and a couple others) is about my age, but he's much more mellow than me anyway - I told someone here awhile back that there's times I'd like to tell you guys to shut the fuck up because you didn't grow up when I did and don't know what you're talking about regarding the music of my generation, but I really can't ignore the level of intelligence all of you exhibit, and therefore can't really exclude your opinions, nor dismiss them as immature because I don't think I had that level of intellectual prowess in my 20s at all.

I wouldn't give you a hard time at all about what any of you have to say if I didn't appreciate your ability to articulate it well. really, I wish I was able to articulate what music of my 20s really did mean to me (or maybe to 'us' as a generation, but I don't have much of a consensus to draw from on that front) - back then, in the 90s especially, it was just different for me. it felt important and intense, and was about finally having an outlet musically that was representative of my 'generational' experience of the time - it just didn't exist before Pearl Jam and the rest of them of that era - I keep reminding myself, gen-x was gen-x because we were inconsequential in a lot of different ways - you guys aren't. I just want you (all) to be aware of your fortune at being this age... right now... with this amount of musical background to draw from, and the hindsight of why.

ugh, I simply can't make short, concise statements and convey what I think. - anyway - I'm cool with RMer's opinions, but imma still rag on you when I can.

malice wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

malice wrote: ummm, how about the particular brand of over intellectualized analysis that goes on around here about music in general and about Pearl Jam particularly?

I like to over-intellectualize music. I try not to do it to Pearl Jam too often, but it's hard not to get caught in the conversations. I'm sorry you have to read through it.

don't worry about it, chap. you guys don't need to apologize for your perceptions, and certainly not to me. I only made the comment because it's difficult for me being about the only representative of gen-x here ...I know doug (and a couple others) is about my age, but he's much more mellow than me anyway - I told someone here awhile back that there's times I'd like to tell you guys to shut the fuck up because you didn't grow up when I did and don't know what you're talking about regarding the music of my generation, but I really can't ignore the level of intelligence all of you exhibit, and therefore can't really exclude your opinions, nor dismiss them as immature because I don't think I had that level of intellectual prowess in my 20s at all.

I wouldn't give you a hard time at all about what any of you have to say if I didn't appreciate your ability to articulate it well. really, I wish I was able to articulate what music of my 20s really did mean to me (or maybe to 'us' as a generation, but I don't have much of a consensus to draw from on that front) - back then, in the 90s especially, it was just different for me. it felt important and intense, and was about finally having an outlet musically that was representative of my 'generational' experience of the time - it just didn't exist before Pearl Jam and the rest of them of that era - I keep reminding myself, gen-x was gen-x because we were inconsequential in a lot of different ways - you guys aren't. I just want you (all) to be aware of your fortune at being this age... right now... with this amount of musical background to draw from, and the hindsight of why.

ugh, I simply can't make short, concise statements and convey what I think. - anyway - I'm cool with RMer's opinions, but imma still rag on you when I can.

I have no idea how old you are, but I'm 33 and absolutely understand what you're saying about the 90s and what it meant. That was my music. That was the decade that decided everything else for me as far as my musical tastes -- or really my voice, my connection, my feeling a part of things. I grew up listening to Classic Rock (Zep, the Beatles, Eagles, Boston, CCR, CSN, etc). But it was that movement, that shift in the 90s that really changed everything for me.

I'm 47, dct, I was 26 in 1992... Pearl Jam was/is made up of guys who have about as similar a musical experience of the world as me as I could ever hope for, really not just musical experience either - they were, in a very real way, people I knew.
when they, and Nirvana, and STP, and Soundgarden, and Dino Jr, and and and - all of them - burst onto the music scene it felt, i dunno, redeeming? like, who knew we had something worthwhile to sing about? I'd spent my life prior to that feeling there wasn't anything WORTH providing musical commentary on - I thought all those 60s and 70s bands you mention were it as far as musical product that could be influential in rock and roll, and they weren't really my music, they belonged to the boomers.
someone put on :"Not For You" for me, huh? I'm all sentimental now.