Red Mosquito

warehouse wrote:does he ask for a hit of acid after he's done singing release?

i was wondering about that sign-language too.

Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

that's some good guitar tones coming from both mike and stone as people have said previously...Evenflow sounded "beefy".

hbk wrote:that's some good guitar tones coming from both mike and stone as people have said previously...Evenflow sounded "beefy".

Really wish it had sounded that beefy at the actual show.

cutuphalfdead wrote:Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

Oh just turn to shite already, would ye Pete?

That's the response I expected from you.

mastaflatch wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

Excellent post, Pete.

cutuphalfdead wrote:That's the response I expected from you.

Guess I'm an easy target cos I'm one of about two people not bitching about these sets.
Name check someone else will you from now on? It's my last nerve and I really need it. Plus it's boring the constant kicking at this point.

dimejinky99 wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:That's the response I expected from you.

Guess I'm an easy target cos I'm one of about two people not bitching about these sets.
Name check someone else will you from now on? It's my last nerve and I really need it. Plus it's boring the constant kicking at this point.

Good lord, you really are absurdly sensitive.

Really don't have the fortitude for anything like this right now. But well spotted. Plus it's almost all the time with anything I post so it gets a bit much.

To the cash grab theorists, Makes me wonder all this festival touring, if it isn't tinged with a collective regret that they didn't seriously tour for longer and with discipline, in bigger places back when they ruled the world and could have made more money by far.
The switch to festivals and relatively predictable set structures (encores at least) could prove its all about getting the casual fan in. And even flow.

Birds in Hell wrote:

mastaflatch wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

Excellent post, Pete.

Yeah, agreed on all fronts. But once they have a new album released they'll be forced to change the flavor. All the more reason to finish this thing up and get it out there.

WtOB? wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

mastaflatch wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

Excellent post, Pete.

Yeah, agreed on all fronts. But once they have a new album released they'll be forced to change the flavor. All the more reason to finish this thing up and get it out there.

Sure, but they didn't have to stay with the Backspacer template for so long. The 2004 tour was different than 2003, and 2005 was different than 2004, but they were all between RA and ST. Same thing in 2007 and 2008.

And when the new album drops I bet they still do encores of just breathe, black, why go, alive, ritfw, yellow ledbetter.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

WtOB? wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

mastaflatch wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Whenever we have reactions to setlists like we did for this show and the previous show I feel like a lot of people (caricatured by the likes of dimejinky) play the argument off as you're either going to get a safe, greatest hits set, or a more adventurous set littered with deep album cuts. Like, if you bitched about the first festival set you have to be happy with this set. But that's missing the point of my complaint with how Pearl Jam handles setlists these days.

(Let me say right now that this is a general observation and not really directed at any one poster or any one incident here on the board recently).

I have no idea how well they played these shows, I have no idea if they were sloppy or tight, how fast they were played, or how breathy Ed sounded. But here is what I'm looking for from Pearl Jam when it comes to song selection:

I want variety from tour to tour, not necessarily from show to show. Sure, I don't want to see them play the same exact set every single night, but I would much rather see them narrow it down to a selection of songs to pull from for each tour, and then stick with those and learn to play them as tight as you can. I'm tired of the same predictable choices (most notably in the encores) but at the same time it's not worth it to play No Way and then butcher it (ala Philly 2009).

Remeber in 2008 when they busted out Who You Are and WMA and Hard To Imagine? Those weren't spur of the moment selections that they couldn't pull off, they selected those songs before the tour began and played them relatively well as rarities for that tour. Up until then each tour had a specific flavor to the setlists, but the very next tour they'd change it up fairly dramatically. Pearl Jam has been playing the same template since 2009, and frankly, it's time for a change.

Excellent post, Pete.

Yeah, agreed on all fronts. But once they have a new album released they'll be forced to change the flavor. All the more reason to finish this thing up and get it out there.

Sure, but they didn't have to stay with the Backspacer template for so long. The 2004 tour was different than 2003, and 2005 was different than 2004, but they were all between RA and ST. Same thing in 2007 and 2008.

No they didn't. But they progress and evolve a lot slower now than they did even 07/08. In fact it seems right now that they've come to a complete halt on progressing probably until the new record is out. But at least they have been cutting down the amount of BS tunes in some of the sets, I mean, this show had only two and no Avocados.. so there's that.

cutuphalfdead wrote:And when the new album drops I bet they still do encores of just breathe, black, why go, alive, ritfw, yellow ledbetter.

I really hope not. I hope if pushes them to change it up a bit. I mean, apart from YL. That's not gonna change.

WtOB? wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:And when the new album drops I bet they still do encores of just breathe, black, why go, alive, ritfw, yellow ledbetter.

I really hope not. I hope if pushes them to change it up a bit. I mean, apart from YL. That's not gonna change.

If I'm being honest with myself it probably doesn't make a lick of difference to me if Eddie keeps singing the way he sings.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

WtOB? wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:And when the new album drops I bet they still do encores of just breathe, black, why go, alive, ritfw, yellow ledbetter.

I really hope not. I hope if pushes them to change it up a bit. I mean, apart from YL. That's not gonna change.

If I'm being honest with myself it probably doesn't make a lick of difference to me if Eddie keeps singing the way he sings.

If he didn't run around so much he wouldn't be so puffed out.

If the drummer played at the correct tempo, he wouldn't be puffed out so much.