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Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 12:42 pm
by Habitman
Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 12:44 pm
by harmless
Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I agree, but you could argue that these "not mundane" vocals don't fit the song as well as they could have if sung more simply.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 12:55 pm
by Habitman
harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I agree, but you could argue that these "not mundane" vocals don't fit the song as well as they could have if sung more simply.
Would you have preferred the style of chorus in INFALLIBLE after the first verse? sans the high notes...
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:00 pm
by harmless
Habitman wrote:harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I agree, but you could argue that these "not mundane" vocals don't fit the song as well as they could have if sung more simply.
Would you have preferred the style of chorus in INFALLIBLE after the first verse? sans the high notes...
Yup. I really like Infallible but loads of baritone instead of all that high anthemic wailing would've scratched my itch.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:06 pm
by Habitman
harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I agree, but you could argue that these "not mundane" vocals don't fit the song as well as they could have if sung more simply.
Would you have preferred the style of chorus in INFALLIBLE after the first verse? sans the high notes...
Yup. I really like Infallible but loads of baritone instead of all that high anthemic wailing would've scratched my itch.
OK, you know what, while I like the song as is. That style thorought may have been more appealing.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:08 pm
by harmless
Habitman wrote:harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:harmless wrote:Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I agree, but you could argue that these "not mundane" vocals don't fit the song as well as they could have if sung more simply.
Would you have preferred the style of chorus in INFALLIBLE after the first verse? sans the high notes...
Yup. I really like Infallible but loads of baritone instead of all that high anthemic wailing would've scratched my itch.
OK, you know what, while I like the song as is. That style thorought may have been more appealing.
Less Procol Harum and more Type O Negative.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:18 pm
by stip
Habitman wrote:Comparing this song to YOU ARE is becoming annoying. Its like people need validate how much they dislike this song by saying "YOU ARE is so much better" --- these songs are actually very different... The vocal performance is very mundane in YOU ARE (which fits the song) where Ilfallible is... well not mundane.
I think the vocal performance on you are is pretty bad for the song actually. It holds back a pretty interesting piece of music.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:45 pm
by evenslow
This song has nothing to do with You Are. Terrible comparison. Stop.
As for the soundcheck version, Stone mentioned in an interview that the album version was a synth thing that they fucked with until they got the sound. I'm guessing in soundcheck they were trying to rework it primarily for guitars, but that's a guess.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:49 pm
by melonhead4
I agree this song sounds nothing like You Are, its more anthemtic. I didnt care for it too much after my first listen, maybe because i was expecting something different, something like You Are but after a few listens i think its a stand out track...I really hope they extend the jam at the end during live shows....
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:54 pm
by EJ
I don't hear You Are at all in this. If anything, it bears a resemblance to the see-sawing music of a Rival - but, like a really distant relative.
I waver on this one. I do enjoy listening to it, but that chorus refrain is so poppy that makes me feel guilty for some stupid reason.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:56 pm
by SaturdayNightSeizure
It's a Type O Negative riff.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 1:59 pm
by stip
You are was a song I grew to appreciate. So was rival (actually I think rival is pretty great. One of a small number of binaural songs that feel alive). I loved this one pretty much right away.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:00 pm
by stupidmop
That chorus is just so...weak and anaemic to me, even when it gets all 'yeah yeah'. It negates the danger in the verses. I gave it two stars cause i like the music under the verses, but i can't see myself ever wanting to listen to it.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:00 pm
by Monkey_Driven
This is exactly what I want from modern day Pearl Jam: Cool riff, catchy/melodic chorus, great vocals, and unexpected turns.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:05 pm
by stip
stupidmop wrote:That chorus is just so...weak and anaemic to me, even when it gets all 'yeah yeah'. It negates the danger in the verses. I gave it two stars cause i like the music under the verses, but i can't see myself ever wanting to listen to it.
It isn't negating the danger. It is a song about convincing us to be better than that, and so when it addresses us directly it decides not to yell at us and try a different approach. The same dynamic is in mym. I love it
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:05 pm
by harmless
evenslow wrote:This song has nothing to do with You Are. Terrible comparison. Stop.
As for the soundcheck version, Stone mentioned in an interview that the album version was a synth thing that they fucked with until they got the sound. I'm guessing in soundcheck they were trying to rework it primarily for guitars, but that's a guess.
It would be really great if they're starting to experiment with different-sounding live tracks. If this becomes a big loud rock song live (what we wanted it to be, hence the "You Are" comparisons), instant boner.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:07 pm
by harmless
stupidmop wrote:That chorus is just so...weak and anaemic to me, even when it gets all 'yeah yeah'. It negates the danger in the verses. I gave it two stars cause i like the music under the verses, but i can't see myself ever wanting to listen to it.
I think you'll need the lyrics to be sure of that.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:41 pm
by jdopj
This song has my interest peaked, it's what I want to put on the most. I just don't know how I feel about it yet. Certain parts (the verses) I love, other parts I am still trying to figure out.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:47 pm
by stupidmop
stip wrote:stupidmop wrote:That chorus is just so...weak and anaemic to me, even when it gets all 'yeah yeah'. It negates the danger in the verses. I gave it two stars cause i like the music under the verses, but i can't see myself ever wanting to listen to it.
It isn't negating the danger. It is a song about convincing us to be better than that, and so when it addresses us directly it decides not to yell at us and try a different approach. The same dynamic is in mym. I love it
I guess I just don't like that dynamic then, mym, ltrp and this all start with verses that get me interested or grooving or bopping that stops dead when the chorus kicks in. I blame Eddie, I dislike everyone of those vocal melodies. They make me
when I should be
or
I'll say mym does it the least though.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Wed October 09, 2013 2:53 pm
by scrub12
harmless wrote:stupidmop wrote:That chorus is just so...weak and anaemic to me, even when it gets all 'yeah yeah'. It negates the danger in the verses. I gave it two stars cause i like the music under the verses, but i can't see myself ever wanting to listen to it.
I think you'll need the lyrics to be sure of that.
This is what it sounds like, to me.
scrub12 wrote:keep on locking your doors
keep on building your floors
keep on just as before
pay disasters no mind
didn't get you this time
no friends left at the crime
Our ship's come in and it's sinking
Of everything that's possible, in the hearts and minds of men
somehow it is the biggest things that keep on slipping right through our hands
By thinking we're infallible, we are tempting fate instead
Time we best begin, here at the ending
want a third second chance
put your faith in big hands
pay no more than a glance
all good things come to an end,
this could be good as it gets,
hows the view from the fence?
You think we've been here before,
you are mistaken
Of everything that's possible, in the hearts and minds of men
when progress could be plausible in the verse we curse ourselves
By thinking we're infallible, we are tempting fate instead
Time we best begin, here at the ending
Of everything that's possible, in the hearts and minds of men
somehow it is the biggest things that keep on slipping right through our hands
by thinking we're infallible, we are tempting fate instead
Time we best begin, here at the ending
here at the ending
keep on locking your doors
keep on building your floors
keep on just as before