Red Mosquito

Ed was an asshole, the dude was an asshole for spewing shit at random fans on Facebook and its clearly not the first time they've had an argument/ ed has been pissed at him. We still dont know whether he was fired or quit himself. Mehh.

BurtReynolds wrote:

DeLima wrote:what surprises me, to be serious for a moment, is that eddie would treat a former ramones tech like that. i thought he worshipped anything to do with those guys.

i am nothing if not completely serious all the time.

why haven't they ever played Strangest Tribe before? Thats a pretty good song.

Strangest Tribe is the last decent song they have yet to play, I think.

You know who's an asshole in the music business according to some people who worked for them/had random encounters with them? Everybody.

What Ed did is childish, I'm not defending him or his actions. I'm also not outraged at it because it's no big deal. What's the big deal, the guy being embraced? By what, people posting the youtube vids and gifs around? How many in the attendance actually notice that, 1% of the crowd? Some of you make it sound as if he pissed (literally not figuratively) on the guy on stage while calling attention to it.
It's funny how people who are calling overly apologetic those who "defend" Ed are doing the same with the guitar tech in question. There's such a negative bias against Ed (even more so on the pit than here) and has been forever. It is part of the whole fandom mythology for every band on the other hand so it's fair game. I've started following PJ relatively late so my knowledge about "facts" haven't formed as they were happening but later by reading articles, which i started doing because what people on forums were writing didn't sound realistic btw. What IMO shows how much fandomatisim is behind that bias is that people still chose to ignore whatever quote by usually Stone and Jeff that doesn't fit their "proven truths" or how far some will go to back up an argument.

People usually back up their opinion with Dave A, the model wife and No Code (when it was assumed Vitalogy was all happily jammed out).
The Dave A thing, despite quotes by Stone and Jeff about Jeff having issues with Dave A, it's 100% Ed end of story for practically everybody. Yet it's more likely that a bass player having issues with the drummer is a bigger deal than what the vocalist thinks. You want to have a rhythm section that goes along generally, as far as i know, so i guess that was probably the deciding factor.
The model wife. WTF is the deal with that. It's not like he hooked up with Kate Moss or Naomi Campbell or that the fact that his wife was model ever had to do The Vitalogy/No Code thing seems to be the thing people are most uncomfortable with especially when Stone and Jeff talk about them - before whoever is interviewing them praises them that is. Many fans really like to pretend every time Stone or Jeff talk shit about Vitalogy they didn't really mean it or it didn't happen to begin with.

And to be honest I don't think there is one member of PJ that hasn't been an asshole or still is to some degree it's just the fans that chose to invest all their energy into Ed.

This isn't a post against RM kind of thing. I don't think there's anything particularly offending here besides hints of what i guess are what became common knowledge for people who have been following the band since the early days that is as biased as any such thing for any band is.

Eddie Vedder is flawless.

I hear his hair’s insured for $10,000.

I hear he does car commercials… in Japan.

His favorite movie is Varsity Blues.

One time Eddie Vedder met John Stamos on a plane… And he told him he was pretty.

One time he punched me in the face… it was awesome.

Noonie wrote: One time Eddie Vedder met John Stamos on a plane… And he told him he was pretty.

Eddie to John or John to Eddie?

Firemen's pole.

Discuss.

You're supposed to keep your daughter OFF THE POLE Eddie!

The whole marrying a model is clearly a non issue. If two adults want to marry each other, no one should complain about that. I haven't heard anything but mild jokes about it anyway.

Clearly Ed was the main man behind the sacking of Dave A, I don't see how anyone who follows Pearl Jam can think any different.

Yes, there were issues within the band when they made Vitalogy/No Code. No one is to blame really, those are two fantastic records. Inside the band it was probably as close as they have ever been to splitting up, and quite probably Ed was doing more writing on his own in this period than at any other time, but still it's 20 years ago, let's let it go.

However, acting like an asshole on stage at times, that's all Ed. Like I said, it's better to admit it, than to start a whole story about what happened 20 years ago, and what other band member have or haven't done. It's much simpler than that.

Noonie wrote:Eddie Vedder is flawless.

I hear his hair’s insured for $10,000.

I hear he does car commercials… in Japan.

His favorite movie is Varsity Blues.

One time Eddie Vedder met John Stamos on a plane… And he told him he was pretty.

One time he punched me in the face… it was awesome.

This was on yesterday.

DeLima wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

DeLima wrote:what surprises me, to be serious for a moment, is that eddie would treat a former ramones tech like that. i thought he worshipped anything to do with those guys.

i am nothing if not completely serious all the time.

why haven't they ever played Strangest Tribe before? Thats a pretty good song.

Strangest Tribe is the last decent song they have yet to play, I think.

Looks that way to me, pretty much everything else are the songs like pry to except for whale song, but the one who sings it isn't in the band to make it happen

Mine wrote:

Noonie wrote: One time Eddie Vedder met John Stamos on a plane… And he told him he was pretty.

Eddie to John or John to Eddie?

Both simultaneously

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

Mine wrote:

Noonie wrote: One time Eddie Vedder met John Stamos on a plane… And he told him he was pretty.

Eddie to John or John to Eddie?

Both simultaneously

Anders wrote:The whole marrying a model is clearly a non issue. If two adults want to marry each other, no one should complain about that. I haven't heard anything but mild jokes about it anyway.

Here yes except maybe for some random post by some people that don't post regularly but i was surprised to see it is an issue for some.

Anders wrote:Clearly Ed was the main man behind the sacking of Dave A, I don't see how anyone who follows Pearl Jam can think any different.

http://www.fivehorizons.com/archive/art ... n801.shtml

O'BRIEN: And Dave Abbruzzese, for whatever reason, he and Eddie didn't get along.

ABBRUZZESE: I felt like there was a time when I had a good friendship with that guy. And then all of a sudden I didn't know him. But I understand—shit, if I was freaking out about stuff and having panic attacks, I can't even begin to fathom what the hell he was going through. I give it up to him just for surviving it.

CURTIS: There was definitely a difference in philosophies. Politics, pro-choice, anti-gun, respect for women, all of that stuff. The responsibilities of being a member of PJ and what message that sends.

AMENT: Dave was a different egg for sure. There were a lot of things, personality wise, where I didn't see eye to eye with him. He was more comfortable being a rock star than the rest of us. Partying, girls, cars. I don't know if anyone was in the same space. Also, with Dave, musically, when you'd say, "I want this to sound more like the Buzzcocks," I don't think he related to that at all. He was a technical guy, and we all played by feeling, or by seeing bands.

GOSSARD: It was the nature of how the politics worked in our band: It was up to me to say, "Hey, we tried, it's not working; time to move on." On a superficial level, it was a political struggle: For whatever reason his ability to communicate with Ed and Jeff was very stifled. I certainly don't think it was all Dave Abrruzzese's fault that it was stifled.

Again i go by quotes like those above and i don't see how by that is all Ed.

Anders wrote:Yes, there were issues within the band when they made Vitalogy/No Code. No one is to blame really, those are two fantastic records. Inside the band it was probably as close as they have ever been to splitting up, and quite probably Ed was doing more writing on his own in this period than at any other time, but still it's 20 years ago, let's let it go.

2013:
http://www.alternativenation.net/?p=36029

Jeff Ament: Probably moreso on the Vitalogy or No Code era, I wish I had more time with those songs. Those records, Ed would show us a song and play it twice and that’s sort of what would end up going out there. Luckily you get to play those songs live and there’s lots of pretty good versions of those songs live.

Ironically i see a lot of people complain about how much those songs changed live compared to their studio versions.
Anyway the point is it's their statements that caused the fanbase to even think about the whole thing.

Anders wrote:However, acting like an asshole on stage at times, that's all Ed. Like I said, it's better to admit it, than to start a whole story about what happened 20 years ago, and what other band member have or haven't done. It's much simpler than that.

Yup but it gets blown out of proportion because of those 20 year old reasons. Even i this particular case, it seems like there were issues for long time between the 2 and to prove Ed's assholeness multiple videos get posted. Yes what Ed did was childish but he could have had fired the guy years ago and didn't.

About my initial point. Most here assume that the people who post at the pit are superapologetic towards Ed and yet the post in the 2 threads there are more negative then here. And it's not uncommon. Some people posted that they hope Stone and Jeff should finally realise that they don't have to put up with Ed any more while others wonder how will the firing of Ricky Ramone affect the enjoyment of the shows they will attend. To me that negative bias towards Ed is embedded in PJ fandom and is far more obvious on the pit than here.

I think lots of people on the Pit are terrified if try post their true feelings they will be punished by the 10c and its why things seem to be very hero-worshipy there, they follow trends. If things trend negative about Ed they will feel there is safety in numbers and vent a little more than they otherwise would.

If was engrossed in the middle of a project and one of my employees hands me a pile of garbage, with a history of giving me lesser garbage, I'd be upset, too. No excuse for Ed's antics, but I can see where he's coming from.

Ricky was probably hired as a favor, anyway (the Ramones disbanded in 96, same year Ed hired him). I'm a little confused as to his connection with the Ramones, though; enlighten me.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

DeLima wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

DeLima wrote:what surprises me, to be serious for a moment, is that eddie would treat a former ramones tech like that. i thought he worshipped anything to do with those guys.

i am nothing if not completely serious all the time.

why haven't they ever played Strangest Tribe before? Thats a pretty good song.

Strangest Tribe is the last decent song they have yet to play, I think.

Looks that way to me, pretty much everything else are the songs like pry to except for whale song, but the one who sings it isn't in the band to make it happen

Love Whale Song. It's hard to understand why they've played Hitchhiker and not Strangest Tribe.

Mine wrote:"Jeff Ament: Probably moreso on the Vitalogy or No Code era, I wish I had more time with those songs. Those records, Ed would show us a song and play it twice and that’s sort of what would end up going out there. Luckily you get to play those songs live and there’s lots of pretty good versions of those songs live."

Ironically i see a lot of people complain about how much those songs changed live compared to their studio versions.
Anyway the point is it's their statements that caused the fanbase to even think about the whole thing.

Had the band chosen a different singer in 1990, they probably still would have been famous, they are that good. But Pearl Jam has a lot to do with Eddie Vedder. If he's in top creative form, the product will be good. If he is not, it won't. I don't see how any Pearl Jam fans can deny his contribution and effort in being an integral and vital part of making some of our favorite music. The fact the Eddie had a huge say in Vitalogy, and probably even more in making No Code, is not a negative. That's a positive.

Mine wrote:To me that negative bias towards Ed is embedded in PJ fandom and is far more obvious on the pit than here.

I disagree. If any other member of the band had done what Eddie did here, they would have received at least as much negativity hurled at them.

Anders wrote:The fact the Eddie had a huge say in Vitalogy, and probably even more in making No Code, is not a negative. That's a positive.

Right. Say what you will about the guy...personally i'm not all that impressed with his reaction in that video...but i can't fault the guy for taking the reigns on Vitalogy/No Code...for my money that was the "band" at its peak.

Can someone summarize what happened? Ed yelled a guitar tech onstage and then fired him?

Thurman Murman wrote:

Anders wrote:The fact the Eddie had a huge say in Vitalogy, and probably even more in making No Code, is not a negative. That's a positive.

Right. Say what you will about the guy...personally i'm not all that impressed with his reaction in that video...but i can't fault the guy for taking the reigns on Vitalogy/No Code...for my money that was the "band" at its peak.

To my recollection, Vitalogy was finished at the end of 1993 when the band was on the road during the Vs tour; tunes from Vitalogy were being played throughout the tour (all you have to do is check out the tour set lists from that time.) The VS/Vitalogy era is where Pearl Jam peaked IMO. No Code has never engaged me in any way, unfortunately, but the band still put out high quality LPs to their credit, until Backspacer.