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VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

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harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

Yeah, Binaural was great, so was Riot Act really. S/T was good with some things which frustrated me. Hell, even Backspacer was well-played by Matt, just most of the songs weren't that challenging. I guess when the bands are so different, you just take your lead from the songs. I'm perfectly happy that Matt plays PJ songs differently to SG ones; I'm just a bit weirded out by some of his choices and habits. Watching those Greivance and Save You videos from the Letterman performances, as well as listening to Live On 2 Legs, has reminded me that for the beginning of his PJ career, I really wasn't unhappy with Matt at all. I enjoyed the TB2000 and Live in the Garden dvds hugely, and they were Matt. I have to assume that he's maybe got slightly more bored in the years since S/T... or he could something else. I just don't know; either that, or Ed and Brendan have really had words with him about a more commercial style of music suiting a more simple style of playing. That would really piss me off if it's happened, because I disagree completely, but I wouldn't put the likelihood past Brendan O'Brien. So, for MYM, I can see him going "Matt, this is a punk song. You know what that means? It means don't do anything interesting at all; KEEP IT SIMPLE."

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

Yeah, Binaural was great, so was Riot Act really. S/T was good with some things which frustrated me. Hell, even Backspacer was well-played by Matt, just most of the songs weren't that challenging. I guess when the bands are so different, you just take your lead from the songs. I'm perfectly happy that Matt plays PJ songs differently to SG ones; I'm just a bit weirded out by some of his choices and habits. Watching those Greivance and Save You videos from the Letterman performances, as well as listening to Live On 2 Legs, has reminded me that for the beginning of his PJ career, I really wasn't unhappy with Matt at all. I enjoyed the TB2000 and Live in the Garden dvds hugely, and they were Matt. I have to assume that he's maybe got slightly more bored in the years since S/T... or he could something else. I just don't know; either that, or Ed and Brendan have really had words with him about a more commercial style of music suiting a more simple style of playing. That would really piss me off if it's happened, because I disagree completely, but I wouldn't put the likelihood past Brendan O'Brien. So, for MYM, I can see him going "Matt, this is a punk song. You know what that means? It means don't do anything interesting at all; KEEP IT SIMPLE."

That's an interesting thought, because I completely agree with that...TB2000 was indeed great, and the Matt Cam (was that on this DVD or Showbox? I can't remember) was pretty excellent. I suppose it could be a directive to keep it simple; but on a song like MYM there isn't a hell of a lot of room to be creative with the drums to begin with. It's pretty straightforward stuff. On Backspacer, songs like Johnny Guitar give him more to work with, and I think his performance there is pretty vibrant.

griffinxi wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

Yeah, Binaural was great, so was Riot Act really. S/T was good with some things which frustrated me. Hell, even Backspacer was well-played by Matt, just most of the songs weren't that challenging. I guess when the bands are so different, you just take your lead from the songs. I'm perfectly happy that Matt plays PJ songs differently to SG ones; I'm just a bit weirded out by some of his choices and habits. Watching those Greivance and Save You videos from the Letterman performances, as well as listening to Live On 2 Legs, has reminded me that for the beginning of his PJ career, I really wasn't unhappy with Matt at all. I enjoyed the TB2000 and Live in the Garden dvds hugely, and they were Matt. I have to assume that he's maybe got slightly more bored in the years since S/T... or he could something else. I just don't know; either that, or Ed and Brendan have really had words with him about a more commercial style of music suiting a more simple style of playing. That would really piss me off if it's happened, because I disagree completely, but I wouldn't put the likelihood past Brendan O'Brien. So, for MYM, I can see him going "Matt, this is a punk song. You know what that means? It means don't do anything interesting at all; KEEP IT SIMPLE."

That's an interesting thought, because I completely agree with that...TB2000 was indeed great, and the Matt Cam (was that on this DVD or Showbox? I can't remember) was pretty excellent. I suppose it could be a directive to keep it simple; but on a song like MYM there isn't a hell of a lot of room to be creative with the drums to begin with. It's pretty straightforward stuff. On Backspacer, songs like Johnny Guitar give him more to work with, and I think his performance there is pretty vibrant.

Well, yes and no. I don't enjoy punk songs as a drummer because I don't have the skill to be really inventive with them. But I can see that so many of the fills on MYM (for example) are so boring and bland; just simple da-da-da-da-da-da generic shit, particularly the one coming out of the half-step intro into the punk rhythm. I wanted something really clever there. And even someone like Travis Barker could've performed it beyond a run-of-the-mill punk drum roll. Could Matt? I'm not sure, because he doesn't, but somewhere else in the song he does another fill (falling triplets I think?) which sounds great and makes me think MORE OF THAT, PLEASE.

harmless wrote:

griffinxi wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

Yeah, Binaural was great, so was Riot Act really. S/T was good with some things which frustrated me. Hell, even Backspacer was well-played by Matt, just most of the songs weren't that challenging. I guess when the bands are so different, you just take your lead from the songs. I'm perfectly happy that Matt plays PJ songs differently to SG ones; I'm just a bit weirded out by some of his choices and habits. Watching those Greivance and Save You videos from the Letterman performances, as well as listening to Live On 2 Legs, has reminded me that for the beginning of his PJ career, I really wasn't unhappy with Matt at all. I enjoyed the TB2000 and Live in the Garden dvds hugely, and they were Matt. I have to assume that he's maybe got slightly more bored in the years since S/T... or he could something else. I just don't know; either that, or Ed and Brendan have really had words with him about a more commercial style of music suiting a more simple style of playing. That would really piss me off if it's happened, because I disagree completely, but I wouldn't put the likelihood past Brendan O'Brien. So, for MYM, I can see him going "Matt, this is a punk song. You know what that means? It means don't do anything interesting at all; KEEP IT SIMPLE."

That's an interesting thought, because I completely agree with that...TB2000 was indeed great, and the Matt Cam (was that on this DVD or Showbox? I can't remember) was pretty excellent. I suppose it could be a directive to keep it simple; but on a song like MYM there isn't a hell of a lot of room to be creative with the drums to begin with. It's pretty straightforward stuff. On Backspacer, songs like Johnny Guitar give him more to work with, and I think his performance there is pretty vibrant.

Well, yes and no. I don't enjoy punk songs as a drummer because I don't have the skill to be really inventive with them. But I can see that so many of the fills on MYM (for example) are so boring and bland; just simple da-da-da-da-da-da generic shit, particularly the one coming out of the half-step intro into the punk rhythm. I wanted something really clever there. And even someone like Travis Barker could've performed it beyond a run-of-the-mill punk drum roll. Could Matt? I'm not sure, because he doesn't, but somewhere else in the song he does another fill (falling triplets I think?) which sounds great and makes me think MORE OF THAT, PLEASE.

Yeah, I know what you mean-- although I'd argue that not only does this song not allow vast amounts of rhythmic leeway, it doesn't really require it either. Yeah, some fills are better than others, but that's probably only for variety's sake in some cases. When I listen to some other "punk" drummers play-- like Brooks Wackerman for example-- he also has a tendency to play some fills that don't really do much for me, and then every once in a while one that is *amazing*. It seems to me that punk fills don't come in many varieties, and if you choose to play that style of music, you're going to be stuck with a certain # of options if you don't want to be producing the same performance over and over again.

griffinxi wrote:

harmless wrote:

griffinxi wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:His cymbal work was exemplary though. For all the thrashing around, there was so much technique there. I'd rather have that than Matt being terrified to open a hi-hat, and obsessed with the tinkly ride cymbal. Why the heck he's playing the ride cymbal at all on MYM I have no idea. As far as Matt having groove goes, yes, he can write a cool drum groove for Soundgarden, but I'm not sure he 'feels' it in an instinctive way. He's much more robotic, a metronome. He kind of plays to a brief, however dry that sounds. Dave A wanted to make every song into a funk rock song.

True..dave wanted everything to turn into this funk -chilli peppers - kinda song... and PJ wrote some material that could go to that route easily.
Matt has always been the heavy-psychadelic type of drummer, most of SG jams are very heavy oriented, as SG is a band that dont understand funk at all. Maybe thats one of the reasons.
PJ live jams with Matt are amazing, but their songs dont have the same approach as 1993 anymore. They moved into a different beast, and some of the new songs dont need matt at all, like JB or this new one, future days for example.
Its a shame, they could write material for him too.

Or Matt could write more songs, and tell Ed to back the fuck away from them?

His songs arent that drummer oriented i think.

They are in terms of pushes / accents and time signatures; they're just not that heavy like SG. Evacuation is a great drummer's song.

Stone said in the pj 20 he was expecting the drums from Binaural to be more heavy. I still think its Matt best record with Pj with avocado really close. In other view, its really impressing to play the same instrument in two different bands and sound really different as well...i dont know how many drummers can do that.

Yeah, Binaural was great, so was Riot Act really. S/T was good with some things which frustrated me. Hell, even Backspacer was well-played by Matt, just most of the songs weren't that challenging. I guess when the bands are so different, you just take your lead from the songs. I'm perfectly happy that Matt plays PJ songs differently to SG ones; I'm just a bit weirded out by some of his choices and habits. Watching those Greivance and Save You videos from the Letterman performances, as well as listening to Live On 2 Legs, has reminded me that for the beginning of his PJ career, I really wasn't unhappy with Matt at all. I enjoyed the TB2000 and Live in the Garden dvds hugely, and they were Matt. I have to assume that he's maybe got slightly more bored in the years since S/T... or he could something else. I just don't know; either that, or Ed and Brendan have really had words with him about a more commercial style of music suiting a more simple style of playing. That would really piss me off if it's happened, because I disagree completely, but I wouldn't put the likelihood past Brendan O'Brien. So, for MYM, I can see him going "Matt, this is a punk song. You know what that means? It means don't do anything interesting at all; KEEP IT SIMPLE."

That's an interesting thought, because I completely agree with that...TB2000 was indeed great, and the Matt Cam (was that on this DVD or Showbox? I can't remember) was pretty excellent. I suppose it could be a directive to keep it simple; but on a song like MYM there isn't a hell of a lot of room to be creative with the drums to begin with. It's pretty straightforward stuff. On Backspacer, songs like Johnny Guitar give him more to work with, and I think his performance there is pretty vibrant.

Well, yes and no. I don't enjoy punk songs as a drummer because I don't have the skill to be really inventive with them. But I can see that so many of the fills on MYM (for example) are so boring and bland; just simple da-da-da-da-da-da generic shit, particularly the one coming out of the half-step intro into the punk rhythm. I wanted something really clever there. And even someone like Travis Barker could've performed it beyond a run-of-the-mill punk drum roll. Could Matt? I'm not sure, because he doesn't, but somewhere else in the song he does another fill (falling triplets I think?) which sounds great and makes me think MORE OF THAT, PLEASE.

Yeah, I know what you mean-- although I'd argue that not only does this song not allow vast amounts of rhythmic leeway, it doesn't really require it either. Yeah, some fills are better than others, but that's probably only for variety's sake in some cases. When I listen to some other "punk" drummers play-- like Brooks Wackerman for example-- he also has a tendency to play some fills that don't really do much for me, and then every once in a while one that is *amazing*. It seems to me that punk fills don't come in many varieties, and if you choose to play that style of music, you're going to be stuck with a certain # of options if you don't want to be producing the same performance over and over again.

I'd buy all that. I don't really listen to punk, but when I do, I'm reminded that very basic drum fills are not a deal-breaker according to the limits of the genre. I'm hoping we get better rhythmic moments on the album, I'm sure we will. I guess I feel that Matt's drumming might be getting simpler as he gets older and I don't want him to become Charlie Watts

Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

VinylGuy wrote:Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

Possibly but does that explain his approach to songs which aren't his?

VinylGuy wrote:Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

Do you meant the songs he's written, or just his drumming? He wrote "In The Moonlight" didn't he? That one's got some interesting things happening rhythmically.

It's been said a couple times, but I think SG's songs are just more challenging to put a rhythm to to begin with. It's a sonic environment well-suited to invention.

griffinxi wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

Do you meant the songs he's written, or just his drumming? He wrote "In The Moonlight" didn't he? That one's got some interesting things happening rhythmically.

It's been said a couple times, but I think SG's songs are just more challenging to put a rhythm to to begin with. It's a sonic environment well-suited to invention.

Yup. Soundgarden songs make him think, I think it's probably as simple as that. For PJ songs he can rely on old tricks, and does. I do think that Matt's songs he writes for PJ are pretty rhythm-orientated. They're some of my favourite late PJ songs anyway.

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griffinxi wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

Do you meant the songs he's written, or just his drumming? He wrote "In The Moonlight" didn't he? That one's got some interesting things happening rhythmically.

It's been said a couple times, but I think SG's songs are just more challenging to put a rhythm to to begin with. It's a sonic environment well-suited to invention.

Yup. Soundgarden songs make him think, I think it's probably as simple as that. For PJ songs he can rely on old tricks, and does. I do think that Matt's songs he writes for PJ are pretty rhythm-orientated. They're some of my favourite late PJ songs anyway.

Maybe. I see Non State Actor as a more Rhythm orientated than , lets say, the fixer or evacuation, were i feel he picked up a guitar and wrote it trough some riffs.

VinylGuy wrote:

harmless wrote:

griffinxi wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Its funny that his contributions with SG are more rhythmically interesting than his output with PJ. Maybe he writes for PJ with the guitar and for SG with his drums?

Do you meant the songs he's written, or just his drumming? He wrote "In The Moonlight" didn't he? That one's got some interesting things happening rhythmically.

It's been said a couple times, but I think SG's songs are just more challenging to put a rhythm to to begin with. It's a sonic environment well-suited to invention.

Yup. Soundgarden songs make him think, I think it's probably as simple as that. For PJ songs he can rely on old tricks, and does. I do think that Matt's songs he writes for PJ are pretty rhythm-orientated. They're some of my favourite late PJ songs anyway.

Maybe. I see Non State Actor as a more Rhythm orientated than , lets say, the fixer or evacuation, were i feel he picked up a guitar and wrote it trough some riffs.

Evacuation has pushes / accents and time signature changes that only Matt would put in a song, though, much like Non-State Actor. The Fixer might have contained all that before Ed allegedly 'fixed it'.

Apart from one or two sections Non-State Actor is actually quite rhythmically boring.

oh i love NSA, i didnt quite liked it at first but its awesome.

I'm enjoying it more lately than I used to. It's grown, for sure.

Its become one of my go-to tunes from KA. I wasn't big on it at first, but its definitely a favorite now. Especially love the back half of that song.

im surprised on how i didnt like some of the songs from KA at first and now in the context of the album i cant miss. BATL is one of them, i really enjoy listen to that one, love the production, the guitars and specially that awesome bridge.
NSA is another one...

Fuck it, im putting KA right now.