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Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue December 24, 2013 4:42 am
by Whitey McTeeth
CD burners were expensive as fuck as well, just wait till best buy is selling the kits for 99 cents.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue December 24, 2013 11:24 am
by simple schoolboy
Whitey McTeeth wrote:CD burners were expensive as fuck as well, just wait till best buy is selling the kits for 99 cents.
Even in a decade, I'd wager that 3_D printing a metal gun will still vcost more than conventional machining processes.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue December 24, 2013 1:08 pm
by broken iris
simple schoolboy wrote:
Whitey McTeeth wrote:CD burners were expensive as fuck as well, just wait till best buy is selling the kits for 99 cents.
Even in a decade, I'd wager that 3_D printing a metal gun will still vcost more than conventional machining processes.

Probably true, but we are talking availability not cost. At some point in the not too distant future banning guns will be like banning cakes.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue December 24, 2013 10:28 pm
by bart
If only there was some relationship between cost and availability....

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Wed December 25, 2013 11:26 am
by simple schoolboy
broken iris wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Whitey McTeeth wrote:CD burners were expensive as fuck as well, just wait till best buy is selling the kits for 99 cents.
Even in a decade, I'd wager that 3_D printing a metal gun will still vcost more than conventional machining processes.

Probably true, but we are talking availability not cost. At some point in the not too distant future banning guns will be like banning cakes.
Cody whats-his-face (defense distributed) would like to remind you that this is the point of his PR campaign. The powers that be can't stop it.

While 3-D printed guns may be within our grasp, here's something else that will rock the boat if it ever comes to fruition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri January 24, 2014 8:29 pm
by Biff Pocoroba
Remember Paul Broun, the congressman who said evolution was straight from the bowels of hell? Well he now wants to be my US Senator and sent this fund raising e-mailer out.

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It continues You see, it’s no secret that the Democrats and liberal media would love to take away our guns and mandate every aspect of our lives, but I refuse to let them get away with that. In fact, today, I have some exciting news for you.

Today, stand up with me and fight for our freedoms by joining our campaign’s contest to win a semi-automatic AR-15….

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri January 24, 2014 8:57 pm
by Electromatic
The thing that's bothering me about the last few high profile defenses of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law is that the application of said law in court is completely against the spirit of any law like that.

It's supposed to protect people who are defending themselves in their homes or automobiles from prosecution if someone is attacking them.

No Stand Your Ground law should be used to protect idiots like George Zimmerman or this fucking lunatic in Florida in the movie theatre.

It makes no rational or logical sense as to why either of the above gentlemen would not be rotting in prison.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri January 24, 2014 9:01 pm
by Electromatic
Biff Pocoroba wrote:Remember Paul Broun, the congressman who said evolution was straight from the bowels of hell? Well he now wants to be my US Senator and sent this fund raising e-mailer out.

Image

It continues You see, it’s no secret that the Democrats and liberal media would love to take away our guns and mandate every aspect of our lives, but I refuse to let them get away with that. In fact, today, I have some exciting news for you.

Today, stand up with me and fight for our freedoms by joining our campaign’s contest to win a semi-automatic AR-15….

I saw the story, but did not click it to read it, not really shocked it's Paul Broun. He's the Bob Barr of this era.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Sat January 25, 2014 12:25 am
by Fortuna
Varis wrote:
some stupid bitch wrote:left her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table when she went into a bedroom to take a nap
some stupid bitch wrote:left her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table when she went into a bedroom to take a nap


some stupid bitch wrote:left her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table when she went into a bedroom to take a nap


some stupid bitch wrote:left her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table when she went into a bedroom to take a nap
Yeah, I had to read that article a few times to believe it.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Sat January 25, 2014 12:38 am
by Fortuna
broken iris wrote:Comparing gun violence in the US to anywhere else just doesn't work. The US is exceptional: the legacy of slavery, the protestant ethos, the class divide, the level of ethnic diversity, the geographic diversity/separation, amongst other factors. No other country is even close in it's it history and make up.
Well they certainly are exceptional!

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri February 28, 2014 6:40 pm
by Green Habit
:haha:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/opini ... ef=opinion

When May I Shoot a Student?

By Greg? HAMPIKIAN
FEB. 27, 2014

BOISE, Idaho — TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

In light of the bill permitting guns on our state’s college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?

I am a biology professor, not a lawyer, and I had never considered bringing a gun to work until now. But since many of my students are likely to be armed, I thought it would be a good idea to even the playing field.

I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that we’ll all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.

At present, the harshest penalty available here at Boise State is expulsion, used only for the most heinous crimes, like cheating on Scantron exams. But now that lethal force is an option, I need to know which infractions may be treated as de facto capital crimes.

I assume that if a student shoots first, I am allowed to empty my clip; but given the velocity of firearms, and my aging reflexes, I’d like to be proactive. For example, if I am working out a long equation on the board and several students try to correct me using their laser sights, am I allowed to fire a warning shot?

If two armed students are arguing over who should be served next at the coffee bar and I sense escalating hostility, should I aim for the legs and remind them of the campus Shared-Values Statement (which reads, in part, “Boise State strives to provide a culture of civility and success where all feel safe and free from discrimination, harassment, threats or intimidation”)?

While our city police chief has expressed grave concerns about allowing guns on campus, I would point out that he already has one. I’m glad that you were not intimidated by him, and did not allow him to speak at the public hearing on the bill (though I really enjoyed the 40 minutes you gave to the National Rifle Association spokesman).

Knee-jerk reactions from law enforcement officials and university presidents are best set aside. Ignore, for example, the lame argument that some drunken frat boys will fire their weapons in violation of best practices. This view is based on stereotypical depictions of drunken frat boys, a group whose dignity no one seems willing to defend.

The problem, of course, is not that drunken frat boys will be armed; it is that they are drunken frat boys. Arming them is clearly not the issue. They would cause damage with or without guns. I would point out that urinating against a building or firing a few rounds into a sorority house are both violations of the same honor code.

In terms of the campus murder rate — zero at present — I think that we can all agree that guns don’t kill people, people with guns do. Which is why encouraging guns on campus makes so much sense. Bad guys go where there are no guns, so by adding guns to campus more bad guys will spend their year abroad in London. Britain has incredibly restrictive laws — their cops don’t even have guns! — and gun deaths there are a tiny fraction of what they are in America. It’s a perfect place for bad guys.

Some of my colleagues are concerned that you are encouraging firearms within a densely packed concentration of young people who are away from home for the first time, and are coincidentally the age associated with alcohol and drug experimentation, and the commission of felonies.

Once again, this reflects outdated thinking about students. My current students have grown up learning responsible weapon use through virtual training available on the Xbox and PlayStation. Far from being enamored of violence, many studies have shown, they are numb to it. These creative young minds will certainly be stimulated by access to more technology at the university, items like autoloaders, silencers and hollow points. I am sure that it has not escaped your attention that the library would make an excellent shooting range, and the bookstore could do with fewer books and more ammo choices.

I want to applaud the Legislature’s courage. On a final note: I hope its members will consider my amendment for bulletproof office windows and faculty body armor in Boise State blue and orange.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Sun March 02, 2014 5:51 am
by 96583UP
deterrence

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri March 07, 2014 6:39 pm
by riverrunner
Sad to say, this is the town where my office is located (Paducah, KY).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... y/5967533/

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — In an effort its spokesman has described as "outreach to rednecks," the Kentucky Baptist Convention is leading "Second Amendment Celebrations," where churches around the state give away guns as door prizes to lure in the unchurched in hopes of converting them to Christ.

As many as 1,000 people are expected at the next one, on Thursday at Lone Oak Baptist Church in Paducah, where they will be given a free steak dinner and the chance to win one of 25 handguns, long guns and shotguns.

The goal is to "point people to Christ," the church says in a flier. Chuck McAlister, an ex-pastor, master storyteller and former Outdoor Channel hunting show host who presides at the events as the Kentucky Baptist Convention's team leader for evangelism, said 1,678 men made "professions of faith" at about 50 such events last year, most in Kentucky.

In Louisville, he said, more than 500 people showed up on a snowy January day for a gun giveaway at Highview Baptist Church, and 61 made decisions to seek salvation.

McAlister's boss, Paul Chitwood, the Kentucky Baptist Convention's executive director, said such results speak for themselves. "It's been very effective," he said in an interview.

But other clergy question what guns and gun rights have to do with with sharing the Gospel.

"How ironic to use guns to lure men in to hear a message about Jesus, who said, 'Put away the sword,'" said the Rev. Joe Phelps, pastor of Louisville's independent Highland Baptist Church.

"Giveaways for God" seem wrong, he said. "Can you picture Jesus giving away guns, or toasters or raffle tickets? ... He gave away bread once, but that was as a sign, not a sales pitch."

Nancy Jo Kemper, pastor of New Union Church in Versailles, Ky., and former director of the Kentucky Council of Churches, said: "Churches should not be encouraging people in their communities to arm themselves against their neighbors, but to love their neighbors, as instructed by Jesus."

"Second Amendment Celebrations" in church make a "travesty" of that message, she said. "How terrible it would be if one of those guns given away at a church were to cause the death of an innocent victim."

McAlister, 60, who pastored churches in five states before taking on the role of traveling evangelist, concedes that neither guns nor gun rights are part of the Gospel. But he said he uses the love of guns and hunting in Kentucky as a "bridge to unchurched men so they will hear what we have to say."

'Outreach to rednecks'

is a way to attract people

In an article titled "God, guns and good ol' boys," Roger Alford, the Kentucky Baptist Convention's communication director, described McAlister's work as "outreach to rednecks."

McAlister, an avid hunter who owns more than 30 firearms, describes it as "affinity evangelism," in which preachers reach out to potential converts based on their common interest in a sport or hobby.

"The day of hanging a banner in front of your church and saying you're having a revival and expecting the community to show up is over," said McAlister, who hosted the religious-themed "Adventure Bound Outdoors" on the Outdoor Channel for 16 years.

"You have to know the hook that will attract people, and hunting is huge in Kentucky," he said. "So we get in there and burp and scratch and talk about the right to bear arms and that stuff."

He said he can understand that some people have a problem with giving away guns, "given the misuse of guns and our moral decline." But, he said, "we certainly don't advocate violence. We are advocating guns for hunting and protection only."

Chitwood, a bow hunter who occasionally hunts with a gun, said, "I don't think hunting is inconsistent with the Gospel in any way. A lot of guys in Kentucky hunt."

Asked what Jesus would think of the gun giveaways, McAlister said, "I don't know, but he was pretty handy with the whip when he ran the money-changers out of the temple."

The guns are donated by local businesses and presented briefly to the winners in church, so they can be photographed with their prize. The firearms are taken back and must be reclaimed at a local gun shop, where the winner must pass a federal background check.

The National Rifle Association declined to comment. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary's chief spokesman, James Smith, said only, "I don't think we're a good fit for this story."

Gun enthusiast for 'the God who made the great outdoors'

The events seem like political rallies/prayer meetings, according to a video on YouTube of a men's wildlife supper on Feb. 4, 2013, at Silverdale Baptist Church in Chattanooga, Tenn.

Wearing a camouflage shirt and frayed cap, McAlister ambled onto the stage, where he was surrounded by stuffed game and firearms.

"How many of y'all own guns?" he asked in his South Carolina accent. "Lemme see a show of hands."

"That is awesome," he said, as the hands went up. "We've got an army right here!"

McAlister sought appealed to their love of hunting and enmity toward gun control. For 30 minutes, he mentioned nothing about God or Jesus.

Instead, he leaned on his rifle and talked about his love for the outdoors, about patriotism and about his "Daddy" and "Granddaddy," who he said took him hunting as a child and taught him to "work hard, to be honest and to look a man in the eye when shaking his hand."

He derided gun control. "It's not the gun, it's the man behind the gun," he said, "and criminals don't care about a bunch of rules."

He told hunting stories and jokes –including about how he had to refer to "harvesting" deer on the Outdoor Channel to be "politically correct" but now can say: "We don't 'harvest deer.' We kill the suckers!"

He spoke without notes, prowling the stage in a headset, taking the crowd back to the soybean fields where he hunted with his kin and learned important life lessons.

"I remember walking across a field one day when Granddaddy asked me why two bucks don't go off to rut and two roosters don't form a covey. He said, 'Do you know why that is? It's because animals have more sense than some people.'"

The crowd erupted in laughter, and he moved in to close the deal.

"There is only one path to know the God who made the great outdoors, and that is through his son, Jesus Christ," he bellowed. "My friends, you listen to me and you listen carefully," he said, lowering his voice.

"I am here to tell you there is nothing more, nothing else and nothing better. Jesus is the only cure. Jesus is the only hope. That may not be politically correct, but I don't give a rip about political correctness," he said. "Because it's true."

His hunt for souls produced a huge bounty – 103 men reportedly made "salvation decisions" accepting Christ as their savior.

'There will be bashers'

At Paducah's Lone Oak Baptist Church, which will host Thursday's event, the Rev. Dan Summerlin said there has been some "push back" from people who are opposed to firearms.

"Any time you try something different there will be bashers," he said.

Summerlin said he has received some calls and notes from people who lost loved ones at Heath High School, 12 miles to the west, when Michael Carneal opened fire on a group of praying students in 1997, killing three and injuring five others.

"My heart aches for those people," Summerlin said.

One of Carneal's victims, Missy Jenkins Smith, who at age 15 was left paralyzed from the chest down, said she was "shocked" when she found out about the event from a reporter.

Smith, who has two children and works as a motivational speaker and counselor for at-risk students, said that while people have a right to bear arms, "I would have really thought they would have come up with other ways besides this."

For years some rural Kentucky churches have given away fishing rods, hunting gear and even a few rifles at wild game dinners, Chitwood said.

A Baptist church in Oakwood, Ga., last year gave away .22-caliber rifles at services to attract men who don't think going to church is "manly," its pastor said, according to news accounts.

But Chitwood said McAlister came up with the idea of focusing the events on the hot-button right to bear arms, and McAlister said it was his idea as well to give away firearms in larger quantities.

"We have found that the number of unchurched men who will show up will be in direct proportion to the number of guns you give away," McAlister said.

He said that when he spoke at a church in Traverse City, Mich., in February 2013 that gave away 80 guns, 382 people made "professions of faith."

McAlister said the giveaways have wide appeal. "We get meat hunters who hunt just to put food on the table" along with "executives who think nothing of paying $10,000 to hunt bear in Alaska," he said. "Guys all want to receive something for free."

But Kemper, the Versailles pastor, said offering the chance for a firearm "verges on bribery" and "makes a mockery of what evangelism, to my way of thinking, ought to be."

"If the program were just about the joys of respecting nature and other creatures, killing animals for the sake only of food — not for sport — and how these activities might deepen relationships with all that is holy ... I would not be so alarmed," she said. But she said the proliferation of deadly weapons has created an atmosphere of fear and distrust.

"The followers of Jesus are meant to build the kingdom of God on Earth," she said, where "everyone can live in peace with their neighbors."

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri March 07, 2014 6:41 pm
by malice
guns for god and free steak.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri March 07, 2014 6:51 pm
by doug rr
malice wrote:guns for god and free steak.
thats a good band name, right there

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Fri March 07, 2014 7:13 pm
by malice
doug rr wrote:
malice wrote:guns for god and free steak.
thats a good band name, right there
so's America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue April 22, 2014 6:59 pm
by BurtReynolds
http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-became-ch ... itics.html

How Chicago Became ‘Chiraq’

On Easter weekend, 45 people were shot in the city, six of them children.

Keepin' it classy in the windy city.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue April 22, 2014 7:17 pm
by Fuck You Jobu
BurtReynolds wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-became-chiraq-094500160--politics.html

How Chicago Became ‘Chiraq’

On Easter weekend, 45 people were shot in the city, six of them children.

Keepin' it classy in the windy city.
Chicago Strong!!!

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Tue April 22, 2014 9:30 pm
by Kaius
Send the Bundy clan in to clean house.

Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

Posted: Wed April 23, 2014 11:37 am
by dimejinky99
Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun. But because everyone buys a gun your safety is greatly diminished through the Collective all behaving in the same way and this increases your likelihood of being shot exponentially.
Like any good paradox it's cyclical and can only be broken when for example guns are outlawed. But none of us see that happening right?
I'm sure I'd refute this logic too if I lived in a dangerous area and wanted to ensure my safety but everyone else being also armed is where the problems kick in. It's an interesting puzzle.