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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 11:56 am
by Bi_3
Bammer wrote:Shocking that nobody can explain why they would have to ask me this. What purpose does this law serve?
The purpose may be performative as you suggest, but it can serve a real purpose for medical professionals. Because no matter what a person or their paperwork or passport may claim, their genes are set. We lack the ability at scale to replace chromosomes in every cell of the body so there is no changing what’s set inside the cells even if you can artificially chemically interfere with the messaging between them. And as doctors readily admitted until about 2015, there is a profound difference in a human’s biochemistry and medicines effectiveness based on their chromosomes, even if chromosomal makeup is an imperfect measure of sex. So of a doctor is going to effectively treat a patient, they need to know what the chromosomes are. By making the distinction through asking both sex and gender, it is a way to identify a trans person that enables the doctor to get the real answer without causes social friction with the patient

It’s probably just enforced virtue signaling, but it can have a unintended (or unspoken) benefit

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 12:51 pm
by Peeps
Bammer wrote:Shocking that nobody can explain why they would have to ask me this. What purpose does this law serve?
equally shocking you never answered what team played against a transgender and that transgendered person scored 28 out of 29 pts

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 1:51 pm
by Bammer
Peeps out here asking for names of 13 year olds, but I’m the asshole. Nice.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:00 pm
by McParadigm
Bammer wrote:I’ve been going there for over 10 years. They know everything about me.

Asking this to a brand new patient, ok maybe that’s one thing.

You can’t come up with a good reason why they asked me. It’s performative.
Greetings, wounded soul. Perhaps I can help you.

Nearly every year, states adopt new rules for patient demographic data requirements. This data is reported to the Department of Health via the Comprehensive Hospital Abstract Reporting System (CHARS), so much but not all of this change is driven by DOH guidelines. Eligible hospitals can request a waiver, and time is provided for hospitals to update their EMRs.

The new information reporting requirements in Washington state, starting January 2023 are:

Patient medical record number
Sex assigned at birth
Admitting diagnosis code
Patient’s ICD code (1-3) reason for visit
Referring provider’s National Provider Identifier (NPI), as applicable
Facility federal tax number
Insured last name, first name, middle name, suffix
Patient’s relationship to insured code
Insured ID

Most of these fields are already reported by the majority of institutions, and are in fact standard to most EMRs. Establishing them as requirements allows for oversight, consistent reporting, and opens the door to providing assistance to smaller facilities who cannot afford to comply on their own.

But some of these updates represent minor adjustments to existing requirements, often due to other fields that have been added.

The field “sex assigned at birth,” for example, replaces the field “sex,” in order to more clearly distinguish it from recent additions that report gender identity, and also to ensure clarity of reporting and accuracy of care.

Unfortunately, because this means some people will have previously reported their gender identity in the “sex” field (for example, someone who was born female but later transitioned may have previously answered “male” for this field)….and because there are legal risks to having incorrect information in any demographic field (in the event of a malpractice suit, for example, inaccurate charting of any kind can serve as evidence)….and because the field change represents a slight change in meaning (which always triggers a need for reconfirmation), hospitals will need to perform a one-time check with existing patients to confirm that the field remains correct for them.

Now, that’s the broad stroke. But let’s examine your experience…and your reaction to it.

All that you suffered was a single, dumb EMR question. And some folks here may speak unfairly, or even laugh at a person. But just because it looks to them like struggling in the face of absolutely no hardship at all…doesn't mean that’s what it is. I mean that. I, and I hope you, understand that just because something is easy for other people…doesn't necessarily mean that it’s going to be easy for us. Doesn’t mean that it is required to be easy for us.

Other people may be naturally built in a manner that lets them navigate being asked a question that doesn’t apply to them, that is unexpected and confusing, and that was added for the sake of legitimizing something we are uncomfortable with, without having an intense emotional reaction. That’s them. It doesn’t have to be everyone. They shouldn’t ACT like it has to be everyone. They shouldn’t target or reject people simply for being different. We all need to be true to the person we are on the inside, and not feel like that person has to be repressed in order for us to be accepted.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:10 pm
by Peeps
Bammer wrote:Peeps out here asking for names of 13 year olds, but I’m the asshole. Nice.
you said your friends daughters team played against them. i would assume you could provide a little bit more information but nice deflection of the whole ask of you

i never asked for girls names

my exact statement/question was the following
weird a quick google search doesnt come up with anything and a reddit search shows zero results also. can you provide a link?

also is this the same school that provides litter boxes for students who identify as cats?
so it seems like you are the one projecting wanting to know the names of the girls

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:14 pm
by Bi_3
McParadigm wrote:
The field “sex assigned at birth,” for example, replaces the field “sex,” in order to more clearly distinguish it from recent additions that report gender identity, and also to ensure clarity of reporting and accuracy of care.
Yeesh friend, only this sentence was needed. The acknowledgment that doctors can be both respectful of a person's identity and realistic about providing care for them.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:14 pm
by tree_
McParadigm wrote:We all need to be true to the person we are on the inside, and not feel like that person has to be repressed in order for us to be accepted.
Unless, of course, you're a serial killer or something like that, which is harmful to others.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:15 pm
by Bammer
McParadigm wrote:
Bammer wrote:I’ve been going there for over 10 years. They know everything about me.

Asking this to a brand new patient, ok maybe that’s one thing.

You can’t come up with a good reason why they asked me. It’s performative.
Greetings, wounded soul. Perhaps I can help you.

Nearly every year, states adopt new rules for patient demographic data requirements. This data is reported to the Department of Health via the Comprehensive Hospital Abstract Reporting System (CHARS), so much but not all of this change is driven by DOH guidelines. Eligible hospitals can request a waiver, and time is provided for hospitals to update their EMRs.

The new information reporting requirements in Washington state, starting January 2023 are:

Patient medical record number
Sex assigned at birth
Admitting diagnosis code
Patient’s ICD code (1-3) reason for visit
Referring provider’s National Provider Identifier (NPI), as applicable
Facility federal tax number
Insured last name, first name, middle name, suffix
Patient’s relationship to insured code
Insured ID

Most of these fields are already reported by the majority of institutions, and are in fact standard to most EMRs. Establishing them as requirements allows for oversight, consistent reporting, and opens the door to providing assistance to smaller facilities who cannot afford to comply on their own.

But some of these updates represent minor adjustments to existing requirements, often due to other fields that have been added.

The field “sex assigned at birth,” for example, replaces the field “sex,” in order to more clearly distinguish it from recent additions that report gender identity, and also to ensure clarity of reporting and accuracy of care.

Unfortunately, because this means some people will have previously reported their gender identity in the “sex” field (for example, someone who was born female but later transitioned may have previously answered “male” for this field)….and because there are legal risks to having incorrect information in any demographic field (in the event of a malpractice suit, for example, inaccurate charting of any kind can serve as evidence)….and because the field change represents a slight change in meaning (which always triggers a need for reconfirmation), hospitals will need to perform a one-time check with existing patients to confirm that the field remains correct for them.

Now, that’s the broad stroke. But let’s examine your experience…and your reaction to it.

All that you suffered was a single, dumb EMR question. And some folks here may speak unfairly, or even laugh at a person. But just because it looks to them like struggling in the face of absolutely no hardship at all…doesn't mean that’s what it is. I mean that. I, and I hope you, understand that just because something is easy for other people…doesn't necessarily mean that it’s going to be easy for us. Doesn’t mean that it is required to be easy for us.

Other people may be naturally built in a manner that lets them navigate being asked a question that doesn’t apply to them, that is unexpected and confusing, and that was added for the sake of legitimizing something we are uncomfortable with, without having an intense emotional reaction. That’s them. It doesn’t have to be everyone. They shouldn’t ACT like it has to be everyone. They shouldn’t target or reject people simply for being different. We all need to be true to the person we are on the inside, and not feel like that person has to be repressed in order for us to be accepted.
Bro, my vasectomy is in my file already.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:16 pm
by Bammer
Peeps wrote:
Bammer wrote:Peeps out here asking for names of 13 year olds, but I’m the asshole. Nice.
you said your friends daughters team played against them. i would assume you could provide a little bit more information but nice deflection of the whole ask of you

i never asked for girls names

my exact statement/question was the following
weird a quick google search doesnt come up with anything and a reddit search shows zero results also. can you provide a link?

also is this the same school that provides litter boxes for students who identify as cats?
so it seems like you are the one projecting wanting to know the names of the girls
The litter box school is in Austin, TX

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:23 pm
by McParadigm
Bammer wrote:Bro, my vasectomy is in my file already.
I can’t imagine that you think hospitals will supersede federal patient self-reporting guidelines and rights regulations in order to fill in individual demographic information points on their own without gain. But you’re hardly the first person to be annoyed by the way EMRs are used (and not used) to organize patient data.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:34 pm
by spike
Bammer’s upset because selecting snowflake wasn’t an option.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:37 pm
by tree_
Low blow, Spike. Can we please at least try to be more civilized around here?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:37 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:38 pm
by tree_
tee hee hee

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:50 pm
by BurtReynolds
tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:We all need to be true to the person we are on the inside, and not feel like that person has to be repressed in order for us to be accepted.
Unless, of course, you're a serial killer or something like that, which is harmful to others.
:lol: read this exchange in the Deep Thoughts voice and it crushes me
I read all his posts that way.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:51 pm
by BurtReynolds
tree_ wrote:Low blow, Spike. Can we please at least try to be more civilized around here?
Forget it, he's hopelessly Trevor Noah-brained.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:51 pm
by wease
tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:We all need to be true to the person we are on the inside, and not feel like that person has to be repressed in order for us to be accepted.
Unless, of course, you're a serial killer or something like that, which is harmful to others.
:lol: read this exchange in the Deep Thoughts voice and it crushes me
Haha! You’re right!

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:52 pm
by McParadigm
:haha:

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 2:53 pm
by tree_
We all needed a little more levity around here. That was nice.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 3:02 pm
by Peeps
Bammer wrote:
Peeps wrote:
Bammer wrote:Peeps out here asking for names of 13 year olds, but I’m the asshole. Nice.
you said your friends daughters team played against them. i would assume you could provide a little bit more information but nice deflection of the whole ask of you

i never asked for girls names

my exact statement/question was the following
weird a quick google search doesnt come up with anything and a reddit search shows zero results also. can you provide a link?

also is this the same school that provides litter boxes for students who identify as cats?
so it seems like you are the one projecting wanting to know the names of the girls
The litter box school is in Austin, TX

thats what i thought