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B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:Connotations are real, Burt.

So? Do you think a kid should have his scholarship taken away because he sang along to a rap song with the n-word in it?

What if he just posted a video of him yelling, "Welcome back, n—-,” ?

Even then, shouldn't there be some possible path to forgiveness to 1.5 seconds of speech?

https://www.iirp.edu/news/university-of ... -on-campus

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:Connotations are real, Burt.

So? Do you think a kid should have his scholarship taken away because he sang along to a rap song with the n-word in it?

What if he just posted a video of him yelling, "Welcome back, n—-,” ?

Even then, shouldn't there be some possible path to forgiveness to 1.5 seconds of speech?

https://www.iirp.edu/news/university-of ... -on-campus

I don't pretend to know much about restorative justice, but if he wants to go that route, he can and should, but should the school honor him with an elite position of power in the student body while he does the work?

Besides, he didn't pursue that route. He just found another school that would overlook it.

I don't think the kid's racist. He screwed up and apologized. But a football scholarship is a very, VERY rare award. I don't fault the school for being extremely stringent in their criteria.

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:White privilege is off the charts in here.

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, it’s a word with deep negative connotations when spoken - especially when spoken by a non black person - and the school choose to be sensitive to this, on behalf of their black students and faculty, which is their right.

*Googles "where are there are still white guys trying to defend white people using the n-word in a 'not racist' way?"*

SBWM's bandmate wrote:*Googles "where are there are still white guys trying to defend white people using the n-word in a 'not racist' way?"*

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:White privilege is off the charts in here.

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, it’s a word with deep negative connotations when spoken - especially when spoken by a non black person - and the school choose to be sensitive to this, on behalf of their black students and faculty, which is their right.

Pains me to say this but... Spike... is... correct. Now I need a shower.

SBWM's bandmate wrote:*Googles "where are there are still white guys trying to defend white people using the n-word in a 'not racist' way?"*

There is a legit question here about this specific kind of usage and discussing it is not endorsing it. Popular music contains all kinds of language ranging from glorifying murder and rape to praising suicide and drug abuse and yes, the n-word. I am willing to bet everyone here and the majority of the people under 50 in this country at some point let that word slip singing along to The Chronic, Wu Tang, Kanye, Jay-Z, etc., not because they are double-secret racists but because it is ubiquitous in the genre and the genre is arguably the largest in our modern culture. So, yes, we know this particular word has a particularly awful meaning in the context of the history of this nation and I think most people hold to the idea that it's the right thing to do to not speak it, it's just difficult to square the governing principle that the ability to use a word in a song lyric is based on some unknowable minimum threshold of outward physical characteristics.

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Bi_3 wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:White privilege is off the charts in here.

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, it’s a word with deep negative connotations when spoken - especially when spoken by a non black person - and the school choose to be sensitive to this, on behalf of their black students and faculty, which is their right.

Pains me to say this but... Spike... is... correct. Now I need a shower.

SBWM's bandmate wrote:*Googles "where are there are still white guys trying to defend white people using the n-word in a 'not racist' way?"*

There is a legit question here about this specific kind of usage and discussing it is not endorsing it. Popular music contains all kinds of language ranging from glorifying murder and rape to praising suicide and drug abuse and yes, the n-word. I am willing to bet everyone here and the majority of the people under 50 in this country at some point let that word slip singing along to The Chronic, Wu Tang, Kanye, Jay-Z, etc., not because they are double-secret racists but because it is ubiquitous in the genre and the genre is arguably the largest in our modern culture. So, yes, we know this particular word has a particularly awful meaning in the context of the history of this nation and I think most people hold to the idea that it's the right thing to do to not speak it, it's just difficult to square the governing principle that the ability to use a word in a song lyric is based on some unknowable minimum threshold of outward physical characteristics.

I posted this back in June of 2017:

epilogue wrote:"No reason to use the word. If you look like me the word should not pass your lips. Not a variation of it, not as a lyric alone in your car. It's not a word you should regret not being able to use without repercussion. It's not worth a free speech defense, even. Free speech laws allow us the freedom to debate asshole people outside of jail. The assholes don't need your defense or allegiance. Don't use the word. Don't defend those white men who use any word invented (by us, don't let yourself off the hook, here) to lessen and harm others. It's violent and don't do it."

Yep. That's where I'm at with it.

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:White privilege is off the charts in here.

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, it’s a word with deep negative connotations when spoken - especially when spoken by a non black person - and the school choose to be sensitive to this, on behalf of their black students and faculty, which is their right.

I didn't ask you if they had a right. I asked you a very specific question.

It’s their right, meaning it’s how they feel was best to handle the situation. It’s not social justice warrioring, it’s not censorship, it’s not the evil influence of liberal media. It’s making a decision in the best interests of all involved, maybe even including the kid. It’s a tough lesson, but one that has the potential to make him a better adult.

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BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:White privilege is off the charts in here.

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, it’s a word with deep negative connotations when spoken - especially when spoken by a non black person - and the school choose to be sensitive to this, on behalf of their black students and faculty, which is their right.

I didn't ask you if they had a right. I asked you a very specific question.

It’s their right, meaning it’s how they feel was best to handle the situation. It’s not social justice warrioring, it’s not censorship, it’s not the evil influence of liberal media. It’s making a decision in the best interests of all involved, maybe even including the kid. It’s a tough lesson, but one that has the potential to make him a better adult.

Yes it is those things. Of course it is. You are utterly insane if you think this decision benefits anyone. Including the kid?! lmao. Who the fuck are you or these people to be making these decisions? The absolute hubris!

But again, I ask you: Do you think a kid should have his scholarship taken away because he sang along to a rap song with the n-word in it? i don't care if you think it's their right. I want to know what you think.

I could go either way. This isn’t some line in the sand.

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What’s your favorite Rage lyric?

Taking away a kids scholarship because he sang along to a naughty word is obviously a pretty crazy response. It's a stupid thing to do, but in a vacuum it doesn't make him a racist (just kind of an idiot for posting it)

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