I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Thu November 21, 2019 8:51 pm
by bodysnatcher
surely he's getting his fair share of royalties though?
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Thu November 21, 2019 9:22 pm
by Birds in Hell
So it's a Don Draper "that's what the money's for!" situation.
I don't know, I think they hugely minimise his contribution to their success at a really crucial time for the band.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Thu November 21, 2019 11:13 pm
by littlecomment
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, very cool.
I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
The ‘96 Grammy speech and then this performance are the only acknowledgments I can think of offhand, though there might be other instances.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sat November 23, 2019 8:56 pm
by wease
Birds in Hell wrote:I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
Birds in Hell wrote:So it's a Don Draper "that's what the money's for!" situation.
I don't know, I think they hugely minimise his contribution to their success at a really crucial time for the band.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 12:28 am
by VinylGuy
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, very cool.
I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
yeah, its so weird. I blame Ed and Jeff...Stone and Mike always talked about him differently.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 12:31 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 2:30 am
by wease
tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, very cool.
I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
yeah, its so weird. I blame Ed and Jeff...Stone and Mike always talked about him differently.
I bet they still miss the funk bounce
Who doesn’t?
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 3:20 pm
by evenslow
wease wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, very cool.
I still think the band have treated Dave abysmally. He's easily the band's most iconic drummer, it reflects so poorly on them that they've extended no public goodwill to him in all these years.
yeah, its so weird. I blame Ed and Jeff...Stone and Mike always talked about him differently.
Jack still has the bounce (he was in RHCP!), it's just a different bounce than Dave's.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 7:33 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 7:45 pm
by Birds in Hell
Oh, definitely, but I just mean to contrast both Dave and Jack to Matt, who has absolutely zero funk in his playing.
Dave and Jack were different drummers but there's definitely a continuum of groove that runs through that whole period, even if Jack's groove was definitely more relaxed and less precise.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 7:49 pm
by bodysnatcher
Matt has funk. It’s just a different kind, as in, “Man, these socks smell funky.”
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 7:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 7:59 pm
by Birds in Hell
tragabigzanda wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Oh, definitely, but I just mean to contrast both Dave and Jack to Matt, who has absolutely zero funk in his playing.
It's frustrating because it took them until Riot Act to really figure out how to apply Matt's sound to the band's music (I love Binaural, but Matt's role seems to be more of "it works" rather than "it slays.") And then they immediately started simplifying their music! Like instead of saying "Whoa, songs like Cropduster and You Are are kind of a cool new direction for us," they instead said "Hey we can just write straightforward rock music like Bruce Springsteen now."
The funny thing is that both Cropduster and You Are are Matt's songs, which is a perfect illustration of how they broke the band when they brought Matt in. His style doesn't work for the kind of songs the other guys write (or their back catalogue) and only really feels natural on his own songs.
Oh well, they had a good thing going for a while there.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Sun November 24, 2019 8:03 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Mon November 25, 2019 12:44 pm
by wease
tragabigzanda wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Oh, definitely, but I just mean to contrast both Dave and Jack to Matt, who has absolutely zero funk in his playing.
It's frustrating because it took them until Riot Act to really figure out how to apply Matt's sound to the band's music (I love Binaural, but Matt's role seems to be more of "it works" rather than "it slays.") And then they immediately started simplifying their music! Like instead of saying "Whoa, songs like Cropduster and You Are are kind of a cool new direction for us," they instead said "Hey we can just write straightforward rock music like Bruce Springsteen now."
The funny thing is that both Cropduster and You Are are Matt's songs, which is a perfect illustration of how they broke the band when they brought Matt in. His style doesn't work for the kind of songs the other guys write (or their back catalogue) and only really feels natural on his own songs.
Oh well, they had a good thing going for a while there.
I always forget that You Are is a Matt song, because I always associate it with Stone playing with the drum machine/guitar setup
So it’s settled then. Bring back Dave A!
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Wed November 27, 2019 3:11 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
Birds in Hell wrote:
The funny thing is that both Cropduster and You Are are Matt's songs, which is a perfect illustration of how they broke the band when they brought Matt in. His style doesn't work for the kind of songs the other guys write (or their back catalogue) and only really feels natural on his own songs.
Oh well, they had a good thing going for a while there.
IMO, it's not Matt that's the problem, but the rest of the band.
He is clearly at a level above the other 4 and they cannot relate or keep up with it.
Especially Mike. I don't think I've ever heard him play one of Matt's songs correctly. Ever.
Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Posted: Wed November 27, 2019 8:28 pm
by bodysnatcher
Probably bc it requires concentration and not shimmying across the stage with your guitar behind your head while you point at random people in the crowd
