I would much rather have Bucks' 2028 and 2030 picks than Miami's. They will likely be better picks because of Milwaukee's inability to get free agents and be a trade destination for marquee players once Lilard is past his prime. Miami always finds a way to reload and stay relevant.4/5 wrote:Ayton would have been there in either offer. Herro plus two or possibly three firsts plus two swaps. Unless they have a time machine for Holiday I don’t think he’s going to get more than an additional first than Herro would get them.E.H. Ruddock wrote:Jrue and Ayton or what from Miami, Herro and a low round number one? Pretty sure this trade is better than what Miami was offering.
NBA Thread
- Monkey_Driven
- The Master
- Posts: 28128
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:36 pm
- Location: Mushroom Kingdom
Re: NBA Thread
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
I don't think he had much trade value. He clearly didn't based on what Portland got back and whatever Miami was offering. That was the only reason I was good with Miami getting him. That contract is atrocious, he can't play defense, basically no contending teams need a PG. All that stuff. I'm good with Miami not overpaying for him.Monkey_Driven wrote: - We will probably never know if it was the best offer, but I don't think Dame had as much value as you think. He's older and has a huge contact. Not many teams were willing to take that on (or had the pieces to reasonably make it happen). Plus, the Blazers got to ditch Nurkic. That is huge for them.
It is amazing that after humoring the divas like KD and Kyrie and Harden over and over that the line gets drawn over Dame.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
Those were just swaps, though right? One pick and two swaps. Picks that far out seem like lottery tickets to me, so I don't feel strongly, I'd take quantity over trying to pick which team I think will suck 7 years from now.Monkey_Driven wrote:I would much rather have Bucks' 2028 and 2030 picks than Miami's. They will likely be better picks because of Milwaukee's inability to get free agents and be a trade destination for marquee players once Lilard is past his prime. Miami always finds a way to reload and stay relevant.4/5 wrote:Ayton would have been there in either offer. Herro plus two or possibly three firsts plus two swaps. Unless they have a time machine for Holiday I don’t think he’s going to get more than an additional first than Herro would get them.E.H. Ruddock wrote:Jrue and Ayton or what from Miami, Herro and a low round number one? Pretty sure this trade is better than what Miami was offering.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
It's probably best for Miami long term that this didn't happen. Still it's a bummer because Jimmy and Dame winning a ring together would have been amazing.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- Monkey_Driven
- The Master
- Posts: 28128
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:36 pm
- Location: Mushroom Kingdom
Re: NBA Thread
What was the Miami offer? Was anything ever officially leaked or was it just hearsay?4/5 wrote:Those were just swaps, though right? One pick and two swaps. Picks that far out seem like lottery tickets to me, so I don't feel strongly, I'd take quantity over trying to pick which team I think will suck 7 years from now.Monkey_Driven wrote:I would much rather have Bucks' 2028 and 2030 picks than Miami's. They will likely be better picks because of Milwaukee's inability to get free agents and be a trade destination for marquee players once Lilard is past his prime. Miami always finds a way to reload and stay relevant.4/5 wrote:Ayton would have been there in either offer. Herro plus two or possibly three firsts plus two swaps. Unless they have a time machine for Holiday I don’t think he’s going to get more than an additional first than Herro would get them.E.H. Ruddock wrote:Jrue and Ayton or what from Miami, Herro and a low round number one? Pretty sure this trade is better than what Miami was offering.
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
Hearsay.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
The official line is that they made their offer, never improved it and told Portland if they thought they could do better to go do it. Miami wasn't going to bid against themselves. I'm not really upset at that.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- Monkey_Driven
- The Master
- Posts: 28128
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:36 pm
- Location: Mushroom Kingdom
Re: NBA Thread
That sounds like a well-run organization. Nothing but respect.4/5 wrote:The official line is that they made their offer, never improved it and told Portland if they thought they could do better to go do it. Miami wasn't going to bid against themselves. I'm not really upset at that.
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
Buddy Hield sweepstakes, here we come!
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- spike
- The Master
- Posts: 35957
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am
Re: NBA Thread
It’s been fascinating watching 4/5 plow through the five stages of grief these last few pages.
- bada
- Looks Like a Cat
- Posts: 12537
- Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:53 pm
Re: NBA Thread
Big Jrue fan worried about where he ends up. He's what Celtics fans thought Marcus Smart was except Jrue is the real deal.
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
It's healthier that way. I'm mostly upset that they let this hijack the entire offseason. If they truly weren't desperate and all that then they should have moved on months ago and built out the roster. And I'm still upset they didn't manage to dump Lowry's expiring early in the offseason when there were teams that could absorb that contract.spike wrote:It’s been fascinating watching 4/5 plow through the five stages of grief these last few pages.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- 4/5
- See you in another life, brother
- Posts: 6989
- Joined: Thu December 20, 2012 4:45 pm
Re: NBA Thread
Bucks offer was better than Miami, there you go.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
- bada
- Looks Like a Cat
- Posts: 12537
- Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:53 pm
Re: NBA Thread
I'm a little sad. Rob was my favorite. Him and D. White were the only guy that weren't constantly crying about something. I get it I would have made this trade too. You had too. Rob is ALWAYS hurt. Getting Jrue was 100% the right move. You gotta give up something to get something. I'll miss him though. Excited and sad.
- spike
- The Master
- Posts: 35957
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am
Re: NBA Thread
Congrats on landing an older Smart.bada wrote:I'm a little sad. Rob was my favorite. Him and D. White were the only guy that weren't constantly crying about something. I get it I would have made this trade too. You had too. Rob is ALWAYS hurt. Getting Jrue was 100% the right move. You gotta give up something to get something. I'll miss him though. Excited and sad.
- Monkey_Driven
- The Master
- Posts: 28128
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:36 pm
- Location: Mushroom Kingdom
Re: NBA Thread
*but betterspike wrote:Congrats on landing an older Smart.bada wrote:I'm a little sad. Rob was my favorite. Him and D. White were the only guy that weren't constantly crying about something. I get it I would have made this trade too. You had too. Rob is ALWAYS hurt. Getting Jrue was 100% the right move. You gotta give up something to get something. I'll miss him though. Excited and sad.
- spike
- The Master
- Posts: 35957
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am
Re: NBA Thread
Bucks signing Cam Payne
- Coach
- Mind Your Tanners
- Posts: 8333
- Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:20 am
Re: NBA Thread
so much better because he's a two way player.Monkey_Driven wrote:*but betterspike wrote:Congrats on landing an older Smart.bada wrote:I'm a little sad. Rob was my favorite. Him and D. White were the only guy that weren't constantly crying about something. I get it I would have made this trade too. You had too. Rob is ALWAYS hurt. Getting Jrue was 100% the right move. You gotta give up something to get something. I'll miss him though. Excited and sad.
these are the risky bold moves you need to make with the Tatum/Brown window.