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Rage want €600 for a VIP experience over here.

Fuck that

theplatypus wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I was talking with a friend in South Dakota this weekend, and this song came up. He complained about the political nature of “old, woke Pearl Jam,” and how it gives him no room to relate. It brought up, for me, a bafflement I spent most of the early 21st century experiencing. I know this individual spent most of the 90’s loving this band. My question for him was the same as for every person who disliked the Bush-era songs, or who ever described early Pearl Jam as feeling sorry for themselves. What was he hearing?

The first two Pearl Jam albums cover homelessness, child abuse, suicide, rape, police cruelty, gun control, a desperate pursuit of asylum, and toxic masculinity...and that’s a reductionist list. Every song is about the powerless addressing the powerful. I honestly see them in retrospect as being a precursor to today’s progressive culture, in a way I frankly wish they got more credit for.

Anyways it’s a stupid post. But the conversation ended badly and people are garbage.

Woke isn’t a real thing.
It’s a word used by people who are threatened cos they know deep down they’re assholes. And often aren’t brave enough to be the assholes they are unless it’s to lecture others about it.
Users of the word woke are the new vegans.
It’s that simple.

Thank you, dime

What's funny about this is that the "users of the word woke" these days are in large part the detractors of the concept of wokeness

I’m not even sure what the word means but I am more than familiar with the type of person that uses it. Assholes in the main.

And joe Rogan

"woke" was first used by Black women to mean "awake to the issue of racism / anti-racist", and used ironically to critique performative white people that fronted as activists but then spoke over Black people

then it was coopted by white anti-feminists to critique any marginalised person who dared to make them accountable for their words and actions; used by white people it's pretty much interchangeable with "snowflake"

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I was talking with a friend in South Dakota this weekend, and this song came up. He complained about the political nature of “old, woke Pearl Jam,” and how it gives him no room to relate. It brought up, for me, a bafflement I spent most of the early 21st century experiencing. I know this individual spent most of the 90’s loving this band. My question for him was the same as for every person who disliked the Bush-era songs, or who ever described early Pearl Jam as feeling sorry for themselves. What was he hearing?

The first two Pearl Jam albums cover homelessness, child abuse, suicide, rape, police cruelty, gun control, a desperate pursuit of asylum, and toxic masculinity...and that’s a reductionist list. Every song is about the powerless addressing the powerful. I honestly see them in retrospect as being a precursor to today’s progressive culture, in a way I frankly wish they got more credit for.

Anyways it’s a stupid post. But the conversation ended badly and people are garbage.

I've wondered the same thing, but a big difference may be that with a few exceptions (WMA) the substance was abstract or buried enough that they could be overlooked, or reworked into whatever privileged victim narrative the person found compelling. That gets harder to do when the subject matter gets more explicitly topical.

What is 100% baffling to me is conservative people listening to Rage Against the Machine

I think this is mostly correct, but I think, looking at the contrast between their work on Riot Act and S/T, I think the main thing that seems to make people lose their shit is targeting specific people. Whether that's an example of making the covert overt, or an illustration of people elevate politicians to a vaunted status, it seems to come out when the band goes after the person in charge as opposed to the issue. Which I think would be true today, as well; PJ could make a song that was pretty overtly about climate change or problems with the criminal justice system, for example, and I doubt anyone would mind. But if they made a similar song overtly going after Trump, I think many more people would take offense.

pretty sure ‘woke’ was a concept created by cambridge analytica and distributed via facebook through caricatures of activists they created based on big data sets

and it was a resounding success

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McParadigm wrote:I was talking with a friend in South Dakota this weekend, and this song came up. He complained about the political nature of “old, woke Pearl Jam,” and how it gives him no room to relate. It brought up, for me, a bafflement I spent most of the early 21st century experiencing. I know this individual spent most of the 90’s loving this band. My question for him was the same as for every person who disliked the Bush-era songs, or who ever described early Pearl Jam as feeling sorry for themselves. What was he hearing?

The first two Pearl Jam albums cover homelessness, child abuse, suicide, rape, police cruelty, gun control, a desperate pursuit of asylum, and toxic masculinity...and that’s a reductionist list. Every song is about the powerless addressing the powerful. I honestly see them in retrospect as being a precursor to today’s progressive culture, in a way I frankly wish they got more credit for.

Anyways it’s a stupid post. But the conversation ended badly and people are garbage.

OK live setting... Doesn't this sound awesome right behind Pendulum? Then E Flow. Then stay fast or moderate for a bit and move move Elderly, Nothingman, Release, Long Rd etc to the back end. Just a thought.
Example:
Pendulum
DotC
EFlow
Animal
Hail Hail
State
Moderate / Zippy x 7 or 8
Nothingman
Elderly
Unthought
Porch
Encore 1

Etc...

I'm thinking it will be played in the 2nd encore so Sex on Two Legs can break dance at the end.

I wonder if Ed will throw the CDM cowbell into DOTC live just because he is Ed and does what he wants and likes a cowbell

bluestate wrote:Haven't listened to DotC much the last 2 weeks (rather wait for the album to fully invest) but after going back to it a few times today, I'm fully confident to say this is the best first single since NAIS.

It's very high quality music regardless of genre

Lounge Lizard wrote:

bluestate wrote:Haven't listened to DotC much the last 2 weeks (rather wait for the album to fully invest) but after going back to it a few times today, I'm fully confident to say this is the best first single since NAIS.

It's very high quality music regardless of genre

Let's see if this checks out:

I Am Mine - good song; but, always struck me more of an Ed solo song to me. The guitars are a bit too clean. Mike could have come up with something much more interesting with that outtro solo. It veers a bit too close to adult contemporary.

WWS - ugh. The "eeh ohh aww eeh ohh aww" ebow at the start can be really obnoxious. This is one of their franken-songs. Decent verses, Horrible chorus, and a mish-mash of song sections that separately could be interesting.

The Fixer - Quite possibly the worst song the band has really gotten behind. Matt had an interesting idea with the music. But, Ed made an embarrassing song out of it. I consciously try to forget about this one.

Mind Your Manners - The teaser they had out there for awhile before they released this was the most interesting part of the song. Unfortunately, it went straight into a throwaway song that fit the mold of a let's make a song for the live show. Terrible chorus.

After thoroughly examining this topic, yes, I'd have to agree with you that this is their best single since NAIS. Though if I were to compare those two songs, NAIS is the much better song.

I think i liked all of their singles...maybe The Fixer and MYM werent my favorites initially but i grow to love them.

This one feels like the best song since mmm yeah NAIS could be.

I've loved every single except STBC, Who You Are, and NAIS upon release. I did really like STBC, but didn't love it.

McParadigm wrote:I was talking with a friend in South Dakota this weekend, and this song came up. He complained about the political nature of “old, woke Pearl Jam,” and how it gives him no room to relate. It brought up, for me, a bafflement I spent most of the early 21st century experiencing. I know this individual spent most of the 90’s loving this band. My question for him was the same as for every person who disliked the Bush-era songs, or who ever described early Pearl Jam as feeling sorry for themselves. What was he hearing?

The first two Pearl Jam albums cover homelessness, child abuse, suicide, rape, police cruelty, gun control, a desperate pursuit of asylum, and toxic masculinity...and that’s a reductionist list. Every song is about the powerless addressing the powerful. I honestly see them in retrospect as being a precursor to today’s progressive culture, in a way I frankly wish they got more credit for.

Anyways it’s a stupid post. But the conversation ended badly and people are garbage.

That's because nobody can understand wtf Eddie is saying

Let’s give it up for this song, which alone held our attention for a few weeks while we continue to await the album - since the next few days will be all about the new single.

FYI, who ever thought Pearl Jam would release back to back singles with the names Dance of the Clairvoyants and Superblood Wolfmoon?! I would have thought I needed to hide under a desk for that but so far (one song and one clip), so good. Yay Pearl Jam and their Iron Maiden song titles!

liebzz wrote:Let’s give it up for this song, which alone held our attention for a few weeks while we continue to await the album - since the next few days will be all about the new single.

FYI, who ever thought Pearl Jam would release back to back singles with the names Dance of the Clairvoyants and Superblood Wolfmoon?! I would have thought I needed to hide under a desk for that but so far (one song and one clip), so good. Yay Pearl Jam and their Iron Maiden song titles!

look at us

This song has got some serious staying power. I’ve slowed myself down significantly with how much I listen to it but still love it. Quite frankly it has set a pretty high bar for the rest of the album, but I’m still trying to keep realistic expectations.

this song has remained solid, like dung on the surface of the Savannah

Ms Harmless wrote:this song has remained solid, like dung on the surface of the Savannah

are... are you David Attenborough?