Red Mosquito

Captain Termite wrote:Do people give credence to the idea that Pence was effectively the president for (at least) a while yesterday? I.E. government agencies would have (or did) follow his orders instead of Trump's - sort of a quasi-25th amendment thing.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

tree_ wrote:If he is removed from office, he will be ineligible for another term

Only if impeached. I don't think being removed that by the 25th amendment has any mention of that

wease wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

tree_ wrote:If he is removed from office, he will be ineligible for another term

Only if impeached. I don't think being removed that by the 25th amendment has any mention of that

No. He’s already been impeached. He wasn’t removed from office. If voted to be removed, then they vote to determine if he can hold office again.

Mickey wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Edit: responding to VG

100%. His presidency will forever be viewed as a failed experiment, and he would never muster enough support to take on the gop establishment moving forward.

Im not sure his presidency will be viewed as a failed experiment at all. He has a rabid fanbase, what happened yesterday is a proof of that.

Yes, believing Trump is "over" is extremely wishful thinking.

spike wrote:

Mickey wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Edit: responding to VG

100%. His presidency will forever be viewed as a failed experiment, and he would never muster enough support to take on the gop establishment moving forward.

Im not sure his presidency will be viewed as a failed experiment at all. He has a rabid fanbase, what happened yesterday is a proof of that.

Yes, believing Trump is "over" is extremely wishful thinking.

yep. if the GOP doesn't want him, he'll just run as an independent. or more likely, start his own party.

spike wrote:

Mickey wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Edit: responding to VG

100%. His presidency will forever be viewed as a failed experiment, and he would never muster enough support to take on the gop establishment moving forward.

Im not sure his presidency will be viewed as a failed experiment at all. He has a rabid fanbase, what happened yesterday is a proof of that.

Yes, believing Trump is "over" is extremely wishful thinking.

yep. if the GOP doesn't want him, he'll just run as an independent. or more likely, start his own party.

BurtReynolds wrote:Discussion topic: In what ways was Pence's betrayal of Emperor Trump similar to the infamous Montreal Screwjob of 1997?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Discussion topic: In what ways was Pence's betrayal of Emperor Trump similar to the infamous Montreal Screwjob of 1997?

Burt doing his best simple schoolboy impression

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

wease wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

tree_ wrote:If he is removed from office, he will be ineligible for another term

Only if impeached. I don't think being removed that by the 25th amendment has any mention of that

No. He’s already been impeached. He wasn’t removed from office. If voted to be removed, then they vote to determine if he can hold office again.

Ok, to clarify, I meant removed from office by impeachment. If removed by 25th amendment, he could run again.

Mickey wrote:Sure, all of that is possible, but more so I meant that his presidency has given form to previously uncollected or sublimated political sentiments that will now shape the future of both parties. There will be no going "back to normal," for better or for worse and no matter how much mainstream politicians want to do so. I think yesterday is a testament to that.

B wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Some scary stuff here:

‘Nothing can stop what’s coming’: Far-right forums that fomented Capitol riots voice glee in aftermath
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... ine-siege/

Mickey wrote:

Mickey wrote:Sure, all of that is possible, but more so I meant that his presidency has given form to previously uncollected or sublimated political sentiments that will now shape the future of both parties. There will be no going "back to normal," for better or for worse and no matter how much mainstream politicians want to do so. I think yesterday is a testament to that.

The second is that blaming this on Donald Trump isn’t just too simplistic, it’s whistling past the graveyard of our norms. Of course, he egged on his crowd to go up to the Capitol and be loud and irritating. But he didn’t tell them to break down doors and crash the gates, and he didn’t need to. Blaming this on Trump assumes this type of attitude will go away when Trump himself does. That’s way too easy — it’s wishful thinking. The iconoclasm of the right is a real development, and it is here to stay. You’ll wish for the old man in the tricorn hat waving a Cato Constitution when you see the new right blasting statues with graffiti.

This same reality applies to the conservative movement. The obvious result of yesterday’s conflagration will be a feeble attempt at a purge by the Mitt Romneys, Liz Cheneys, and Adam Kinzingers (ha!) of the GOP. This will fail because their constituency is not just outnumbered, it is utterly dominated by the populist iconoclasts. A party of the right that rejects the mob of people who spent their hard-earned, working-class money to drive to Washington, D.C., and wave a flag as deplorables will never win, or deserve to, any more than a party of the left could reject naming something Black Lives Matter plaza.

tragabigzanda wrote:To clarify, I agree with your post 100% Mickey. I just don’t think trump will ever hold public office again.