E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn't impeachment and conviction the perfect way for current Republicans to rid themselves of trump for 2024?
Yes but they’d lose senate seats in 2022.
I have full faith that Republican voters could forget impeachment after two years of a Biden/Harris administration, a Pelosi house, and a dem controlled senate. They'll be fine in 2022. With impeachment, they might even pick up a voter or two (like me.)
Why would impeachment make you more likely to vote Republican in 2022?
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 8:36 pm
by McParadigm
tragabigzanda wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn't impeachment and conviction the perfect way for current Republicans to rid themselves of trump for 2024?
Yes but they’d lose senate seats in 2022.
In 2016, the Republican Party had a ten seat majority in the senate and a 47 seat advantage in the House. In 2018, there were ten contested Senate seats where a Democrat incumbent was defending in Trump territory, and just one Republican in the reverse. Nevertheless, in 4 years they’ve lost both chambers and the presidency...a feat unheard of in nearly a century.
In 2022, meanwhile, Republicans are the ones facing a ton of precarious senate seats up for re-election. Democrats, less so.
Abandoning Trump means getting primaried by fanatics and, in the near term, probably means low turnout. But there’s no evidence that sticking with him is worth anything beyond regional victories...certainly not when it comes to purple Senate seats.
They’re in a tough spot, but they need to be making strategic decisions about a more distant future than 2022.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 8:39 pm
by washing machine
4/5 wrote:
washing machine wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn't impeachment and conviction the perfect way for current Republicans to rid themselves of trump for 2024?
Yes but they’d lose senate seats in 2022.
I have full faith that Republican voters could forget impeachment after two years of a Biden/Harris administration, a Pelosi house, and a dem controlled senate. They'll be fine in 2022. With impeachment, they might even pick up a voter or two (like me.)
Why would impeachment make you more likely to vote Republican in 2022?
If the future nominee is sitting on congress right now, and that nominee voted to impeach, it would go a long way in showing character and reason. I'd vote for that if I also believed in a fair amount of this politician's platform. This mind exercise also assumes a lot of things about what will happen in this country with two years of a dem controlled federal government, which I'd weigh with this politician's platform.
In other words, can you show me a politician in 2022 who can run on a limited federal government, a fair but common sense response to what I anticipate to be an escalating culture war, AND it turns out they did the right thing at this weird moment in history and voted to impeach? Sign me up.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 8:53 pm
by McParadigm
washing machine wrote:If the future nominee is sitting on congress right now, and that nominee voted to impeach, it would go a long way in showing character and reason. I'd vote for that if I also believed in a fair amount of this politician's platform. This mind exercise also assumes a lot of things about what will happen in this country with two years of a dem controlled federal government, which I'd weigh with this politician's platform.
This all makes a lot of sense to me
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 8:59 pm
by spike
reid, are you a conservative who's just been aliented by trump?
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 9:06 pm
by washing machine
spike wrote:reid, are you a conservative who's just been aliented by trump?
I can count on one hand the number of republicans I've voted for in my life. Trump was a hard pass for me in 2016, and a joke by 2020.
I'm a latent free market libertarian type, if I had to guess. Culturally, I lean left but can't fully get behind the current woke-ism/SJW tendencies like in my younger days. Perhaps I'm an example of that classic phrase, "when you're young and conservative, you've lost your heart. When you're old and liberal, you've lost your mind."
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 9:26 pm
by washing machine
washing machine wrote:
spike wrote:reid, are you a conservative who's just been aliented by trump?
I can count on one hand the number of republicans I've voted for in my life. Trump was a hard pass for me in 2016, and a joke by 2020.
I'm a latent free market libertarian type, if I had to guess. Culturally, I lean left but can't fully get behind the current woke-ism/SJW tendencies like in my younger days. Perhaps I'm an example of that classic phrase, "when you're young and conservative, you've lost your heart. When you're old and liberal, you've lost your mind."
I might add that Bastiat and Hazlitt are key influences to this post. I'd love to read more and my mind is undergoing constant reprograming when new data and experience comes into the picture, but these thinkers were the big drivers for me in the year of our virus, 2020.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Mon January 11, 2021 11:02 pm
by dimejinky99
Marine one is trending on twitter
Please please please let it be real. Helicopter crash would be epic
I checked.
Nope. Its even weirder.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 2:43 am
by 96583UP
Simple Torture wrote:Team Trump: "Stealing elections is bad, but on the other hand
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A man known for making great coaching decisions has made a great one away from the football field.
Patriots coach Bill Belichick has decided to decline the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
“Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for past recipients,” Belichick said in a statement issued Monday night. “Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award.
“Above all, I am an American citizen with great reverence for our nation’s value, freedom and democracy. I know I also represent my family and the New England Patriots football team. One of the most rewarding things in my professional career took place in 2020 when, through the great leadership within our team, conversations about social justice, equality and human rights moved to the forefront and became actions. Continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and country I love outweigh the benefit of any individual award.”
I know almost nothing about NFL and certainly zero about Bill Belichick, but he has just become my absolute favourite NFL coach of all time.
I appreciate that much of this sort of stuff with professional sportsmen and women is simply throwing the "right words" at current issues from (mostly) positions of wealth and security, but even still I'm a bit of a sucker for it.
Go Patriots.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:23 am
by Mickey
Oh sweet Higgs no.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:25 am
by dad
Higgs wrote:I know almost nothing about NFL and certainly zero about Bill Belichick, but he has just become my absolute favourite NFL coach of all time.
I appreciate that much of this sort of stuff with professional sportsmen and women is simply throwing the "right words" at current issues from (mostly) positions of wealth and security, but even still I'm a bit of a sucker for it.
Go Patriots.
I love you.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:25 am
by 96583UP
Bill Belichick is the best coach in NFL history
his dad was a WWII vet and coached the U.S. Navy football team. he learned coaching from U.S. Navy football staff
there's no doubt the riot on the Capitol made him sick
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:26 am
by 96583UP
he's also a notorious cheater who filmed other teams to steal their signals and kept them in a spreadsheet
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:27 am
by 96583UP
he's also rumored to have filmed a TJ Maxx dressing room or two but the investigation was inconclusive
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:27 am
by BurtReynolds
96583UP wrote:he's also a notorious cheater who filmed other teams to steal their signals and kept them in a spreadsheet
It's all part of the game.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 12, 2021 3:40 am
by 96583UP
BurtReynolds wrote:
96583UP wrote:he's also a notorious cheater who filmed other teams to steal their signals and kept them in a spreadsheet
It's all part of the game.
To me, I confess that countries are pieces on a chessboard upon which is being played out a great game for the domination of the world.
