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Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:47 pm
by knee tunes
wease wrote:Matters wrote:wease wrote:Can females play in male sports leagues?
Yes. Please correct me if I’m wrong but most “male” leagues are actually defined as “open” leagues, meaning any person good enough to qualify can participate. There has been at least one female player who was drafted to the NBA though I don’t think she ever played in an official game.
Still, female leagues were created for a reason.
Because the boys wouldn’t let them play
Yes they would.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:48 pm
by knee tunes
It's vise versa
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:49 pm
by Matters
tommy wrote:Is it possible for conservatives to discuss this stuff without gleefully misgendering trans people?
It undermines your point when you're so intentionally hateful.
Was this directed at me?
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:53 pm
by Matters
knee tunes wrote:
Yes they would.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:55 pm
by tommy
Matters wrote:tommy wrote:Is it possible for conservatives to discuss this stuff without gleefully misgendering trans people?
It undermines your point when you're so intentionally hateful.
Was this directed at me?
It's more of a general question. It's just something I see constantly - conservatives seem to delight in doing it for some reason.
You did provide a good example, though.
Matters wrote:I posted a news story objectively in the appropriate thread for this forum. The story evolved so I continued to post the updates. I am eager to hear respectful thoughts and expressions in regards to the news reports that I posted.
I don’t believe that males should play in female sports leagues.
Your last sentence would actually be functionally more descriptive if you'd said "trans women" rather than "males"
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:56 pm
by tommy
You're also more likely to generate a good conversation (your stated goal) by being respectful.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 5:57 pm
by knee tunes
tommy wrote:Matters wrote:tommy wrote:Is it possible for conservatives to discuss this stuff without gleefully misgendering trans people?
It undermines your point when you're so intentionally hateful.
Was this directed at me?
It's more of a general question. It's just something I see constantly - conservatives seem to delight in doing it for some reason.
You did provide a good example, though.
Matters wrote:I posted a news story objectively in the appropriate thread for this forum. The story evolved so I continued to post the updates. I am eager to hear respectful thoughts and expressions in regards to the news reports that I posted.
I don’t believe that males should play in female sports leagues.
Your last sentence would actually be functionally more descriptive if you'd said "trans women" rather than "males"
natters doesn't hate
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:03 pm
by Matters
tommy wrote:Matters wrote:tommy wrote:Is it possible for conservatives to discuss this stuff without gleefully misgendering trans people?
It undermines your point when you're so intentionally hateful.
Was this directed at me?
It's more of a general question. It's just something I see constantly - conservatives seem to delight in doing it for some reason.
You did provide a good example, though.
Matters wrote:I posted a news story objectively in the appropriate thread for this forum. The story evolved so I continued to post the updates. I am eager to hear respectful thoughts and expressions in regards to the news reports that I posted.
I don’t believe that males should play in female sports leagues.
Your last sentence would actually be functionally more descriptive if you'd said "trans women" rather than "males"
Can we no longer define people in terms of male or female? Also let’s try to reply to people directly based on what has been posted here on this site and not all the stuff we read elsewhere. I constantly have to remind myself of this.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:10 pm
by tommy
Matters wrote:
Can we no longer define people in terms of male or female?
In a discussion about transgender women playing sports (in a thread about transgender rights) it helps to be as descriptive as possible. It's not really a big burden - it's 4 descriptors instead of 2 and being respectful is more likely to actually generate conversation.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:15 pm
by B
I appreciate tommy.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:19 pm
by knee tunes
Were was Matters showing disrespect tho?
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:25 pm
by B
knee tunes wrote:Were was Matters showing disrespect tho?
Calling trans women "men" is misgendering. Intentionally misgendering a person is generally considered bigotry, and fully unnecessary in the debate about trans women's place in sports.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:31 pm
by Matters
I think said males
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 6:32 pm
by Matters
Going to try to sleep now. Love you all
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Sun November 03, 2024 10:04 pm
by B
Matters wrote:I think said males
Ah, I've been shamed by my ignorance.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Tue November 05, 2024 1:22 am
by Matters
tommy wrote:Matters wrote:
Can we no longer define people in terms of male or female?
In a discussion about transgender women playing sports (in a thread about transgender rights) it helps to be as descriptive as possible. It's not really a big burden - it's 4 descriptors instead of 2 and being respectful is more likely to actually generate conversation.
The news reports I posted earlier accurately describe the player in question as a transgender woman. A transgender woman by definition is a male. I used the correct terminology.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Tue November 05, 2024 1:58 am
by B
A transgender woman is a woman. Since gender assigned at birth is implied in the term, the only reason to go out of your way to label her "male" is to be hateful.
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Tue November 05, 2024 2:12 am
by Bi_3
B wrote:A transgender woman is a woman. Since gender assigned at birth is implied in the term, the only reason to go out of your way to label her "male" is to be hateful.
While I agree there is no need to intentionally misgender someone, the idea that ‘gender assigned at birth’ is ‘implied in the term’ is not universally understood or accepted and like 99% of the population had never heard it before like 5 years ago. It’s certainly not a basis to accuse someone of hateful conduct given the fluid movement between the terms sex and gender that occurs in these threads
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Tue November 05, 2024 2:38 am
by Matters
B wrote:A transgender woman is a woman. Since gender assigned at birth is implied in the term, the only reason to go out of your way to label her "male" is to be hateful.
Is a transgender woman male or female?
Re: Transgender Rights
Posted: Tue November 05, 2024 2:43 am
by VinylGuy
Matters wrote:B wrote:A transgender woman is a woman. Since gender assigned at birth is implied in the term, the only reason to go out of your way to label her "male" is to be hateful.
Is a transgender woman male or female?
Female