Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm way more excited about Jay and Silent Bob Reboot than Halloween reboot.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I know you don't like horror, Joey, but that is just incorrect.

VinylGuy wrote:Kevin Smith is the worst. He couldnt get that Mallrats series going...man, just do the podcast. Its really sad....and this reboot thing? my god.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

theplatypus wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

He is a bit like The Offspring in my head in that he was instrumental in getting me into movies when I was 12, I was a huge fan all the way through high school, and now that I'm older I find myself vexed and exasperated by his artistic choices while also realizing how not-actually-that-great his early "lauded" work is.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

As a former hardcore Smith fan (I'm talking '94-'99), here's my take:

He did some great work with Clerks and Chasing Amy. Two great examples of a filmmaker working within a very modest budget to make some really compelling films. But now his ear for dialogue is dated, and he lacks any visual prowess whatsoever. Ultimately, his greatest contribution to film will be in proving that one can foster a dedicated fanbase and exist outside of the studio system, and make the films one wants to make. But his movies now mostly suck (I appreciate his attempts at horror, even if they're not great), he's a burnout and a bore, and he has diarrhea of the mouth.

durdencommatyler wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

He is a bit like The Offspring in my head in that he was instrumental in getting me into movies when I was 12, I was a huge fan all the way through high school, and now that I'm older I find myself vexed and exasperated by his artistic choices while also realizing how not-actually-that-great his early "lauded" work is.

This makes sense to me. But what makes him a "thin-skinned manboy?"

theplatypus wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

He is a bit like The Offspring in my head in that he was instrumental in getting me into movies when I was 12, I was a huge fan all the way through high school, and now that I'm older I find myself vexed and exasperated by his artistic choices while also realizing how not-actually-that-great his early "lauded" work is.

This makes sense to me. But what makes him a "thin-skinned manboy?"

Oh, he gets into petty squabbles with critics and fans all the time. He does shit like search his own name on Twitter to see what people are saying about him (without actually @-ing him) and then puts them on blast for his army of neckbearded fans to abuse. Stuff like that

gardenparty wrote:Yoga Hosers was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

BurtReynolds wrote:He gets a lifetime pass from me for Clerks and Mallrats, but everything else is crap, and he's kind of annoying in interviews, though he seems like a nice guy. That guy loves to talk, without saying anything interesting.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I really have no real understanding of the wider perception of Kevin Smith.

As a former hardcore Smith fan (I'm talking '94-'99), here's my take:

He did some great work with Clerks and Chasing Amy. Two great examples of a filmmaker working within a very modest budget to make some really compelling films. But now his ear for dialogue is dated, and he lacks any visual prowess whatsoever. Ultimately, his greatest contribution to film will be in proving that one can foster a dedicated fanbase and exist outside of the studio system, and make the films one wants to make. But his movies now mostly suck (I appreciate his attempts at horror, even if they're not great), he's a burnout and a bore, and he has diarrhea of the mouth.

He's made three films that I like more than Clerks that you didn't even mention. Still, interesting to hear your (and others') thoughts on this. I had no idea he'd faded and worn out his welcome so much to the broader public. That's really interesting to me.

What are those three movies? I like Mallrats and Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, but wouldn't put them above Clerks or Chasing Amy.
Dogma is rubbish.
Jersey Girl was unfairly maligned, but it's not like it's a great movie.
Clerks II and Zack & Miri were both quite forgettable.
Cop Out was just sort of there.
Red State is a solid movie, and I'd qualify it as a successful experiment.
I couldn't get through Tusk or Yoga Hosers.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.