Red Mosquito

Omg this thread has me HYPED I need to chill out

Kaius wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.

I don’t think anyone is being particularly exclusionary here...

I was referring back to Jorge's comment about bands like SOAD not fitting the genre because they are too political rather than inward-looking.

Kevin Davis wrote:Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.

Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?

I’m embarrassed by the amount of posting I’m doing in here while listening to “I Miss Nu Metal” on Apple Music.

Kaius wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Were Evanescence nu-metal?

Yeah, I think they fit. Her voice is excellent.

I think their original guitarist / co-songwriter left the band after that first album because he was so in love with her

Kevin Davis wrote:

Kaius wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.

I don’t think anyone is being particularly exclusionary here...

I was referring back to Jorge's comment about bands like SOAD not fitting the genre because they are too political rather than inward-looking.

He’s just hesitant to put one of his favorite bands into this box.

theplatypus wrote:

Kaius wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Were Evanescence nu-metal?

Yeah, I think they fit. Her voice is excellent.

I think their original guitarist / co-songwriter left the band after that first album because he was so in love with her

Does that disqualify them from being nu-metal?

theplatypus wrote:

Kaius wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Were Evanescence nu-metal?

Yeah, I think they fit. Her voice is excellent.

I think their original guitarist / co-songwriter left the band after that first album because he was so in love with her

Yeah but when we're getting this level of granular it's not unheard-of to fit "lyrical themes" as a genre convention. Gangsta rap, protest music, Christian rock, all of those are sub-genres that are explicitly about something, lyrically. Not saying that's objectively the case with nu-metal, just saying that my own perception of the genre includes the my-life-sucks whiny lyrics.

“Sugar” is very inward-looking. Sorry plat!

Welcome to the club!

Kaius wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

Kaius wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Were Evanescence nu-metal?

Yeah, I think they fit. Her voice is excellent.

I think their original guitarist / co-songwriter left the band after that first album because he was so in love with her

I really do think that's what happened, but that's based on a half-remembered Ohnotheydidn't piece I read around the year 2004

It’s hilarious.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.

Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?

Jorge gave a pretty good one; I just disagree with that one part.

For what it's worth, I share your general distaste for the overclassification of music; the fact that this thread comprises fourteen pages of people trying to discern whether certain bands do or do not belong in a certain genre is evidence that the terminologies don't even really serve their basic function as shorthand for the body of work they supposedly encompass. But I can't deny that this has been a fun thread.

I really don't mind that slap bass

If "save me from the nothing I've become" isn't a nu-metal lyric, I don't know what is.

BurtReynolds wrote:I really don't mind that slap bass

I think I love it.

durdencommatyler wrote:If "save me from the nothing I've become" isn't a nu-metal lyric, I don't know what is.

Lyrics like this kind of retroactively turned me off of grunge. Who wants to be so depressed all the time?

Kevin Davis wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.

Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?

Jorge gave a pretty good one; I just disagree with that one part.

For what it's worth, I share your general distaste for the overclassification of music; the fact that this thread comprises fourteen pages of people trying to discern whether certain bands do or do not belong in a certain genre is evidence that the terminologies don't even really serve their basic function as shorthand for the body of work they supposedly encompass. But I can't deny that this has been a fun thread.

I honesty can't tell whether or not people are actually frustrated with me in this thread. But I THINK we're all in on the joke. Regardless, I love this thread and this conversation. No lie.