Red Mosquito

bada wrote:

oasisfan35 wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:So, I...uh, previewed this. I have always loved Nirvana's albums, and would cite them among the most important bands in the history of my life, but I have never been an obsessive tracker of their demos and unreleased sessions, so for me there wasn't a lot hinging on whether they got this release "right" in the sense of what's out there that still has yet to be properly released. All I cared about--which is the same thing I cared about with "With the Lights Out" and the "Nevermind" set--was getting some good music. Bearing that in mind, my feelings are mixed.

The Live and Loud show sounds great--I remember watching this over and over as a kid and it's great to have the full set in such quality. But I wonder--and this is an honest question--for you folks who have been praising the extras on the 2CD version, is there something that strikes you about these crude demos and slight remixes as critically different, in a musical/historical sense, than what came out on "With the Lights Out" and the "Nevermind" set, or is the interest mainly on an audiophile/tech level? Because musically this just seems to me like this era's version of the same stuff that came out on the "With the Lights Out" and "Nevermind" sets--basically rough sketch-type material that sets the stage for what came later but ultimately isn't much to chew on on its own terms. I think the only thing really essential that this box set "unearths" (apart from the live set) are the original Albini mixes of "Heart Shaped Box" and "All Apologies," both of which sound fierce and are long overdue for release. I found the 2013 remix utterly pointless.

To my mind the only thing missing from Nirvana's discography at this point is a 1CD (or 2, if needed) collection of "loose ends"--basically a roundup of officially released B-sides, one-offs, etc., all in their original forms, tidied up neatly for cataloging purposes, similar to the Beatles' "Past Masters." That would be a great album, an "alternate history" of sorts:

Spank Thru
Here She Comes Now
Pay to Play
D7
Even in His Youth
Aneurysm
Oh, the Guilt
Curmudgeon
Return of the Rat
I Hate Myself and Want to Die
Sappy
Marigold
Moist Vagina
Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol
You Know You're Right

The first Outcesticide boot, which I traded for eons ago, included most of these I believe but I'd agree a cleaned up version of such would be a nice book-end to their catalog.

Aren't all those songs on the reissues except for Spank and Right?

dimejinky99 wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/968 ... ears-later

Great article. Steven Hyden is one of my favorite music writers working today. Thanks for sharing.

No probs. I'd never heard of him before but his writing is very involving and relatable.
Has he written about any hands I like, I wonder?
I'm afraid to look:)

bada wrote:Aren't all those songs on the reissues except for Spank and Right?

Kevin Davis wrote:But yeah, I've always liked the idea of artists, after a certain point in their career when the original one-off sources have gone out of print, rounding up all their stray non-album material (formally released stuff I mean, not cutting room floor snippets and whatnot) and putting it on an easily accessible collection. I think it's a service too few artists pay their own bodies of work, and I think the idea of making them only available on reissues of albums that most people long ago paid for is kind of tacky.

Kevin Davis wrote:So, I...uh, previewed this. I have always loved Nirvana's albums, and would cite them among the most important bands in the history of my life, but I have never been an obsessive tracker of their demos and unreleased sessions, so for me there wasn't a lot hinging on whether they got this release "right" in the sense of what's out there that still has yet to be properly released. All I cared about--which is the same thing I cared about with "With the Lights Out" and the "Nevermind" set--was getting some good music. Bearing that in mind, my feelings are mixed.

The Live and Loud show sounds great--I remember watching this over and over as a kid and it's great to have the full set in such quality. But I wonder--and this is an honest question--for you folks who have been praising the extras on the 2CD version, is there something that strikes you about these crude demos and slight remixes as critically different, in a musical/historical sense, than what came out on "With the Lights Out" and the "Nevermind" set, or is the interest mainly on an audiophile/tech level? Because musically this just seems to me like this era's version of the same stuff that came out on the "With the Lights Out" and "Nevermind" sets--basically rough sketch-type material that sets the stage for what came later but ultimately isn't much to chew on on its own terms. I think the only thing really essential that this box set "unearths" (apart from the live set) are the original Albini mixes of "Heart Shaped Box" and "All Apologies," both of which sound fierce and are long overdue for release. I found the 2013 remix utterly pointless.

To my mind the only thing missing from Nirvana's discography at this point is a 1CD (or 2, if needed) collection of "loose ends"--basically a roundup of officially released B-sides, one-offs, etc., all in their original forms, tidied up neatly for cataloging purposes, similar to the Beatles' "Past Masters." That would be a great album, an "alternate history" of sorts:

Spank Thru
Here She Comes Now
Pay to Play
D7
Even in His Youth
Aneurysm
Oh, the Guilt
Curmudgeon
Return of the Rat
I Hate Myself and Want to Die
Sappy
Marigold
Moist Vagina
Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol
You Know You're Right

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

There's a non-mastered version on the "Original B-Sides & Rarities" boot.

matt reeder wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

There's a non-mastered version on the "Original B-Sides & Rarities" boot.

I have the entire HDD of Nirvana stuff that's going around. Whenever I decide to actually redo this disc that's going on it.

It's pretty awesome having every circulating source of everything, even if I'll never listen to 98% of it.

oasisfan35 wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

There's a non-mastered version on the "Original B-Sides & Rarities" boot.

I have the entire HDD of Nirvana stuff that's going around. Whenever I decide to actually redo this disc that's going on it.

It's pretty awesome having every circulating source of everything, even if I'll never listen to 98% of it.

Didn't realize there was a Nirvana drive making rounds, that's pretty awesome.

super nintendo chalmers wrote:Gonna share it you jerk? Or you just flexin?

matt reeder wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

There's a non-mastered version on the "Original B-Sides & Rarities" boot.

I have the entire HDD of Nirvana stuff that's going around. Whenever I decide to actually redo this disc that's going on it.

It's pretty awesome having every circulating source of everything, even if I'll never listen to 98% of it.

Evolution6579 wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:I've always left off "You Know Your Rights" because I hate the studio mastering and because I really like ending the disc with "Gallons...".

There's a non-mastered version on the "Original B-Sides & Rarities" boot.

I have the entire HDD of Nirvana stuff that's going around. Whenever I decide to actually redo this disc that's going on it.

It's pretty awesome having every circulating source of everything, even if I'll never listen to 98% of it.

This drive...does it, by chance, include a studio version of Talk To Me?