Red Mosquito

Tuolumne wrote:

scrub12 wrote:Matt said on IG it was written in 2018, so there may be some stuff left in the vault.

This pretty confirms for me that this is a paen to Chris Cornell.

And I think the fade out was extremely tastefully done.

Doughboy wrote:Apologies if covered:

I think:

"Weird voice" in Stone's new song is him doing a Chris Cornell impression.

This is such a weird lens through which to view everything the band does now.

I only mention this because it was such an often-referenced touchpoint, but how can anyone even be certain Comes Then Goes is about Chris?

Even if Ed came out and said "yup, that's one about Chris Cornell, every word" - how does that enrich (rather than limit) your appreciation of the song?

I don't know, maybe this is something of a personal bug bear, but trying to parse what a song is "about" seems like a really reductive, dull thing to do.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

scrub12 wrote:Matt said on IG it was written in 2018, so there may be some stuff left in the vault.

This pretty confirms for me that this is a paen to Chris Cornell.

And I think the fade out was extremely tastefully done.

Doughboy wrote:Apologies if covered:

I think:

"Weird voice" in Stone's new song is him doing a Chris Cornell impression.

This is such a weird lens through which to view everything the band does now.

I only mention this because it was such an often-referenced touchpoint, but how can anyone even be certain Comes Then Goes is about Chris?

Even if Ed came out and said "yup, that's one about Chris Cornell, every word" - how does that enrich (rather than limit) your appreciation of the song?

I don't know, maybe this is something of a personal bug bear, but trying to parse what a song is "about" seems like a really reductive, dull thing to do.

You had me until the last bit, spenno. Ill never fully understand you. You dont want to know what a ...song is about?

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

scrub12 wrote:Matt said on IG it was written in 2018, so there may be some stuff left in the vault.

This pretty confirms for me that this is a paen to Chris Cornell.

And I think the fade out was extremely tastefully done.

Doughboy wrote:Apologies if covered:

I think:

"Weird voice" in Stone's new song is him doing a Chris Cornell impression.

This is such a weird lens through which to view everything the band does now.

I only mention this because it was such an often-referenced touchpoint, but how can anyone even be certain Comes Then Goes is about Chris?

Even if Ed came out and said "yup, that's one about Chris Cornell, every word" - how does that enrich (rather than limit) your appreciation of the song?

I don't know, maybe this is something of a personal bug bear, but trying to parse what a song is "about" seems like a really reductive, dull thing to do.

You had me until the last bit, spenno. Ill never fully understand you. You dont want to know what a ...song is about?

Maybe that wasn't the best way of expressing what I mean.

I guess I'm trying to say Comes Then Goes (for example) is a song about a lost relationship, and I'd prefer to find some meaning in the song itself than spend time wondering who Eddie Vedder was thinking about when he wrote it. Thinking about that actively reduces my enjoyment of the song.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

scrub12 wrote:Matt said on IG it was written in 2018, so there may be some stuff left in the vault.

This pretty confirms for me that this is a paen to Chris Cornell.

And I think the fade out was extremely tastefully done.

Doughboy wrote:Apologies if covered:

I think:

"Weird voice" in Stone's new song is him doing a Chris Cornell impression.

This is such a weird lens through which to view everything the band does now.

I only mention this because it was such an often-referenced touchpoint, but how can anyone even be certain Comes Then Goes is about Chris?

Even if Ed came out and said "yup, that's one about Chris Cornell, every word" - how does that enrich (rather than limit) your appreciation of the song?

I don't know, maybe this is something of a personal bug bear, but trying to parse what a song is "about" seems like a really reductive, dull thing to do.

You had me until the last bit, spenno. Ill never fully understand you. You dont want to know what a ...song is about?

Maybe that wasn't the best way of expressing what I mean.

I guess I'm trying to say Comes Then Goes (for example) is a song about a lost relationship, and I'd prefer to find some meaning in the song itself than spend time wondering who Eddie Vedder was thinking about when he wrote it. Thinking about that actively reduces my enjoyment of the song.

I think you can do both at the same time. As a fan of an artist and following their career for so many years, its always part of the game trying to understand where this art came from. A good artist can write a song that can be universal while also being personally about something very specific.

I dont think trying to find out if this song (since we're talking about this one specifically) is about chris cornell will take away from my own personal connection to the song and applying it to instances in my life.

Now, listening to get it back and saying its a kim thayil tribute is the real ridiculousness here when its a classic mike mcrready noodle wail.

Sorry, vinylguy

Mike said he was channeling Thayil with that solo.

Also, Ed said he wrote it about Chris, so people can be super reductive about the meaning of the song and not bothering him with other views.

I need proof on both of those things that they said.

Also, regardless of what mike said about channeling thayil on that one....he missed the mark on trying to emulate thayils metal guitar stylings. That is just classic mike blues rock solo with some added noise (which i love!).

But i havent seen ed say anything about comes then goes .

I guess it's a weird dynamic which arises out of following a band or artist for a long time. You naturally find out about their personal life, and develop some idea of how that impacts upon their art. I think, at least personally, that can start to have a detrimental effect on my enjoyment of the music itself, so there's an uneasy balance to strike.

Strat wrote:But i havent seen ed say anything about comes then goes .

Me either, and I find the song super boring either way.

I guess for me, understanding the song (or any song) through that viewpoint diminishes its power.

It's no longer an active, amorphous thing whose meaning can shift and change; it has a box and label ("SONG ABOUT CHRIS CORNELL") and that's kind of the whole sum of it.

Jesus it was a joke

“No, prove it”

Gonna need you to calm down VG

You keep asking and asking

Trying to reach you before winter comes

It’s almost summer here

You know, it's a fair point about Comes The Goes. Ed lost *his brother* during the album gap so it really could be about that, or both, but who really knows. I actually felt more strongly about Get it Back being a Chris song. It really felt like it must have been, coming from Matt of all people, who had the most formalized relationship w/ Chris of anyone.

Stip’s review mentioned that this song sounds like it was written by a drummer.

Isn’t Dave Grohl a drummer? Weren’t Layne Staley and Chris Cornell drummers?

Stip, what does that mean?

Man, I really like this song.

I didn't go nuts for Gigaton, but this is a gem.

Would appreciate a sneaky PM from someone

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

scrub12 wrote:Matt said on IG it was written in 2018, so there may be some stuff left in the vault.

This pretty confirms for me that this is a paen to Chris Cornell.

And I think the fade out was extremely tastefully done.

Doughboy wrote:Apologies if covered:

I think:

"Weird voice" in Stone's new song is him doing a Chris Cornell impression.

This is such a weird lens through which to view everything the band does now.

I only mention this because it was such an often-referenced touchpoint, but how can anyone even be certain Comes Then Goes is about Chris?

Even if Ed came out and said "yup, that's one about Chris Cornell, every word" - how does that enrich (rather than limit) your appreciation of the song?

I don't know, maybe this is something of a personal bug bear, but trying to parse what a song is "about" seems like a really reductive, dull thing to do.

You had me until the last bit, spenno. Ill never fully understand you. You dont want to know what a ...song is about?

Maybe that wasn't the best way of expressing what I mean.

I guess I'm trying to say Comes Then Goes (for example) is a song about a lost relationship, and I'd prefer to find some meaning in the song itself than spend time wondering who Eddie Vedder was thinking about when he wrote it. Thinking about that actively reduces my enjoyment of the song.

These are not mutually exclusive options in the slightest, though. Comes Then Goes IS a song about a relationship. It was inspired by Ed's relationship with CC, but if it was only about that who could possibly care? If the song works for the listener it will be because they were able, from that starting point, to transport it to their own lives (although if they were particularly attached to CC that connection may already be there). I mean that's what empathy is. It is why some of Ed's oddly specific choices on Ten are still emotionally affecting.

Otherwise knowing this stuff is just trivia about a song you like. Knowing details about Matt's kit or Mike's guitar doesn't change how I hear a song, but if you are a musician it is probably fun to know. We all devoured production notes from the Gigaton sessions, but none of those things are relevant to the experience of the final album. And there are times they explain part of the HOW of a song. How was this musical moment captured. Or if you are trying to parse a set of lyrics:

High or low, try again
She fell off the altar
A vision you caught her but then
A woodcut in red
I wish it was not you that she had led
Selfish navigation with no end

Knowing that context may help understand the authorial intent, which you can take or leave.