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Gods' Die wrote:The Beatles have a ton of shit that I skip; entire albums that I skip...and songs that I skip on albums that I love. But when they're not doing some goofy bullshit they recorded music that when listening I just think "wow...how could this be put together better than it is" and I'm sure that they're the best thing that's come around.

Gods' Die wrote:Durden, Lament, KD, & Plat...your shit has been very good to read.

Stip, I really enjoy reading when you discuss any band but Pearl Jam...haha, I really hate the way you like your Pearl Jam.

Thanks. I feel like I haven't navigated this thread as well as I would have liked. But... we live, we learn, we improve.

GO BEATLES!!!

I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

There's quite a lot of it in the 00's but a lot of it is dismissed as shallow.

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

therein lies the greatness of the Beatles. they opened up a whole new experience of what music could do for the world- I don't know enough to be sure, but it feels to me like that hadn't happened previously (at least not for a very long time) - that's what was revolutionary about them. they opened a door that I feel like the US didn't remember was even there.

malice wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

therein lies the greatness of the Beatles. they opened up a whole new experience of what music could do for the world- I don't know enough to be sure, but it feels to me like that hadn't happened previously (at least not for a very long time) - that's what was revolutionary about them. they opened a door that I feel like the US didn't remember was even there.

Absolutely. I know that's what they did for me, anyway.

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

Chumbawumba was goofy.

harmless wrote:There's quite a lot of it in the 00's but a lot of it is dismissed as shallow.

And is that much different than the Beatles being dismissed as shallow? Or cheesy?

Gods' Die wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

Chumbawumba was goofy.

Can we define "goofy bullshit?" What tracks are we talking about?

durdencommatyler wrote:

harmless wrote:There's quite a lot of it in the 00's but a lot of it is dismissed as shallow.

And is that much different than the Beatles being dismissed as shallow? Or cheesy?

I didn't say it was different, just that dismissing the Beatles as such is far more likely to result in uncomfortable feeling, just because of the vast amount of positive critical reception the Beatles has going for it.

Gods' Die wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

Chumbawumba was goofy.

So are a lot of Flaming Lips songs, Neil Young's T-Bone, and Cemetery Polka. That doesn't make all those things synonymous, by any measure.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Gods' Die wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

Chumbawumba was goofy.

Can we define "goofy bullshit?" What tracks are we talking about?

Obladi, Yellow Submarine, Ringo songs in general. some of Paul's old lady songs. At least that's what I was referring to.

durdencommatyler wrote:

malice wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

therein lies the greatness of the Beatles. they opened up a whole new experience of what music could do for the world- I don't know enough to be sure, but it feels to me like that hadn't happened previously (at least not for a very long time) - that's what was revolutionary about them. they opened a door that I feel like the US didn't remember was even there.

Absolutely. I know that's what they did for me, anyway.

I guess I feel like what's missing throughout this thread is perspective. I've read a few posts about how just because they were the first band to... whatever, and then some further opinion about what's not interesting about the Beatles to whoever posted- I dont' take issue with things people don't like- but it shouldn't be so easily dismissed that the Beatles did a lot of 'first' things and there really is some importance to holding that claim.

McParadigm wrote:

Gods' Die wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

Chumbawumba was goofy.

So are a lot of Flaming Lips songs, Neil Young's T-Bone, and Cemetery Polka. That doesn't make all those things synonymous, by any measure.

Barbie by Aqua was goofy.

I feel like people are still going to be talking about McParadigm 100 years from now. For whatever reason.

malice wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

malice wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

therein lies the greatness of the Beatles. they opened up a whole new experience of what music could do for the world- I don't know enough to be sure, but it feels to me like that hadn't happened previously (at least not for a very long time) - that's what was revolutionary about them. they opened a door that I feel like the US didn't remember was even there.

Absolutely. I know that's what they did for me, anyway.

I guess I feel like what's missing throughout this thread is perspective. I've read a few posts about how just because they were the first band to... whatever, and then some further opinion about what's not interesting about the Beatles to whoever posted- I dont' take issue with things people don't like- but it shouldn't be so easily dismissed that the Beatles did a lot of 'first' things and there really is some importance to holding that claim.

For all that I've been accused of snark, I did begin by saying that I do see the obvious influence of the Beatles, and I would never disrespect their impact upon music in general. I just don't like listening to much of it.

theplatypus wrote:

harmless wrote:

Guys, I'm listening to The Mynabirds.

This is interesting, because that's a band that's hugely influenced by The Beatles in their songwriting (http://www.popmatters.com/feature/12818 ... aura-burh/). Do you think this is similar to you not being a punk fan but liking it when Pearl Jam does it? Like how the influence filters through a band you actually do care about.

I was going to make a post like this.

Soma. wrote:I feel like people are still going to be talking about McParadigm 100 years from now. For whatever reason.

he's pretty spot on most of the time (to me).

malice wrote:

Soma. wrote:I feel like people are still going to be talking about McParadigm 100 years from now. For whatever reason.

he's pretty spot on most of the time (to me).

After the testicle incident, when I didn't take your advice and subsequently wished that I had, I got a WHAT WOULD MALICE DO tattoo on the other, undamaged ball. I glance at it before every single post, now, so that might be why you approve of a lot of what I end up saying.

harmless wrote:

malice wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

malice wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I like the goofy bullshit. There's something about that 1960's wide-eyed "we can do aaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyyything" childish nature that I find absolutely endearing. They really thought music was going to change the world, for a little while, and they hadn't yet formulized or categorized or given up on major keys or even gotten too cool to make children's songs.

I think the 1990's could have done with a little more of that, frankly.

therein lies the greatness of the Beatles. they opened up a whole new experience of what music could do for the world- I don't know enough to be sure, but it feels to me like that hadn't happened previously (at least not for a very long time) - that's what was revolutionary about them. they opened a door that I feel like the US didn't remember was even there.

Absolutely. I know that's what they did for me, anyway.

I guess I feel like what's missing throughout this thread is perspective. I've read a few posts about how just because they were the first band to... whatever, and then some further opinion about what's not interesting about the Beatles to whoever posted- I dont' take issue with things people don't like- but it shouldn't be so easily dismissed that the Beatles did a lot of 'first' things and there really is some importance to holding that claim.

For all that I've been accused of snark, I did begin by saying that I do see the obvious influence of the Beatles, and I would never disrespect their impact upon music in general. I just don't like listening to much of it.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, it's just a difference I noticed in general over the years about how the Beatles are looked at - as events recede, the biggest impacts fade. that's fine with me though- I think with a band like the Beatles, most people have a healthy respect for their influence and I don't really need everyone to also worship their music too - I was only making an observation