Red Mosquito

Self wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:It was love at first listen for me, but I tend to like a lot of abrasive shit. I'm totally on board with what they were trying to do, even if a lot of the songs were leftovers. I'd take In Utero over Nevermind any day of the week, but it's totally a matter of taste.

It wasn't that it was too abrasive, and I really like the production. It just doesn't hit the spot for me at all. I think the quality of the songs reflect their "leftover" and "written under duress" nature. It's like they really wanted to do stuff like "Oh The Guilt" and "Curmudgeon" but they played it safe and used songs that had enough commerciality to satisfy the record company. It's a compromise that fails to satisfy because the quality of the songs just isn't there. The best song on the album is probably "Scentless Apprentice", which is based on a group jam. I think "Moist Vagina" and "Sappy" are both better than anything that made the actual album. But as far as I was concerned at the time, stuff like "Dumb" and "Tourettes" and "Rape Me" was played out shit...those songs were ancient news already...about 2 years too late. And I think a lot of people felt the same way, and were ready to move on. The general mood of the album was also a bummer and I don't think people were really in that headspace at the time.

I miss the comfort in being sad.

I miss the lack of judgemental condemnation that people used to have towards musicians from 20 years or so ago

Check out the setlist for the first Seattle show with Dave Grohl...this is when they blew their wad...probably their peak...

Aneurysm
Oh, The Guilt
Mr. Moustache
Stay Away
Breed
Floyd The Barber
About A Girl
Verse Chorus Verse
In Bloom
Swap Meet
Been A Son
Stain
Blew
Sappy
Lithium
School
D-7
Here She Comes Now
Sliver
Dumb
Polly
Something In The Way
Negative Creep
Love Buzz
Where Did You Sleep Last Night? jam
Spank Thru
Molly's Lips
Son Of A Gun
Sifting
Radio Friendly Unit Shifter

malice wrote:

Self wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

matt reeder wrote:It was love at first listen for me, but I tend to like a lot of abrasive shit. I'm totally on board with what they were trying to do, even if a lot of the songs were leftovers. I'd take In Utero over Nevermind any day of the week, but it's totally a matter of taste.

It wasn't that it was too abrasive, and I really like the production. It just doesn't hit the spot for me at all. I think the quality of the songs reflect their "leftover" and "written under duress" nature. It's like they really wanted to do stuff like "Oh The Guilt" and "Curmudgeon" but they played it safe and used songs that had enough commerciality to satisfy the record company. It's a compromise that fails to satisfy because the quality of the songs just isn't there. The best song on the album is probably "Scentless Apprentice", which is based on a group jam. I think "Moist Vagina" and "Sappy" are both better than anything that made the actual album. But as far as I was concerned at the time, stuff like "Dumb" and "Tourettes" and "Rape Me" was played out shit...those songs were ancient news already...about 2 years too late. And I think a lot of people felt the same way, and were ready to move on. The general mood of the album was also a bummer and I don't think people were really in that headspace at the time.

I miss the comfort in being sad.

I miss the lack of judgemental condemnation that people used to have towards musicians from 20 years or so ago

My dad won't let me play anything from the fab 4 post Beatles. I kicked off band on the run last night and he said, "shut it off, pecker-head."

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Check out the setlist for the first Seattle show with Dave Grohl...this is when they blew their wad...probably their peak...

Aneurysm
Oh, The Guilt
Mr. Moustache
Stay Away
Breed
Floyd The Barber
About A Girl
Verse Chorus Verse
In Bloom
Swap Meet
Been A Son
Stain
Blew
Sappy
Lithium
School
D-7
Here She Comes Now
Sliver
Dumb
Polly
Something In The Way
Negative Creep
Love Buzz
Where Did You Sleep Last Night? jam
Spank Thru
Molly's Lips
Son Of A Gun
Sifting
Radio Friendly Unit Shifter

That first year or so following Dave joining the band definitely seems in retrospect like the best of times for the band.

Iholdthepain wrote:

Strat wrote:Whatever...aneurysm is their best song anyway.

Agreed... and it's one of the few that are way better live...

I would argue that, other than "Swap Meet" and "Heart-Shaped Box", they're all better live.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Check out the setlist for the first Seattle show with Dave Grohl...this is when they blew their wad...probably their peak...

Aneurysm
Oh, The Guilt
Mr. Moustache
Stay Away
Breed
Floyd The Barber
About A Girl
Verse Chorus Verse
In Bloom
Swap Meet
Been A Son
Stain
Blew
Sappy
Lithium
School
D-7
Here She Comes Now
Sliver
Dumb
Polly
Something In The Way
Negative Creep
Love Buzz
Where Did You Sleep Last Night? jam
Spank Thru
Molly's Lips
Son Of A Gun
Sifting
Radio Friendly Unit Shifter

As you, me and Spenno know well, this is widely acknowledged to be the best Nirvana show ever. I've listened to this show so many times over the years and it never gets old. I've been looking for the Portland New Year's Eve show (12/31/1990) ever since I moved to Portland and the widespread belief here is that, if there's a tape, it's long since disappeared.

Lame.

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Strat wrote:Whatever...aneurysm is their best song anyway.

Agreed... and it's one of the few that are way better live...

I would argue that, other than "Swap Meet" and "Heart-Shaped Box", they're all better live.

Aye, but would you say they're way better live?

Iholdthepain wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Strat wrote:Whatever...aneurysm is their best song anyway.

Agreed... and it's one of the few that are way better live...

I would argue that, other than "Swap Meet" and "Heart-Shaped Box", they're all better live.

Aye, but would you say they're way better live?

Yes. I've listened to every Nirvana show out there (I got my start in the online Nirvana bootleg world) and in general I prefer live Nirvana to studio Nirvana.

Another song that was better in the studio: "Even In His Youth".

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Strat wrote:Whatever...aneurysm is their best song anyway.

Agreed... and it's one of the few that are way better live...

I would argue that, other than "Swap Meet" and "Heart-Shaped Box", they're all better live.

Aye, but would you say they're way better live?

Yes. I've listened to every Nirvana show out there (I got my start in the online Nirvana bootleg world) and in general I prefer live Nirvana to studio Nirvana.

Another song that was better in the studio: "Even In His Youth".

What would you say is their best live song... and best live boot? My favorite video boot is the infamous Trees show for obvious reasons, but now that there are officially released shows, I don't ever visit the old audio boots. I do have a lot on CD-R, but haven't listened to them in a while.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Strat wrote:So, ive been listening to In Utero lately. I dont like it. I didnt wen it first came out either. What am I missing?

I'm not wild about it either. I still find it very lacking in the songwriting department. The general feeling at the time amongst me and my friends was that it was a major let down/bummer. It was very anti-climactic. A lot of people were more interested in the new Pearl Jam album, which was without a doubt a better album.

However, the "In Utero" tour was the first (and last) time a lot of people in the USA were able to see Nirvana live. My first concert ever was the Bethlehem stop. And "Unplugged" and "Live And Loud" were wildly popular when they first aired...at a time when Pearl Jam wasn't doing shit in terms of media appearances. So that era is not at all lost, despite my lukewarm feelings about the album itself.

I think I had a silver disc boot of that show back in grade school -- "Legacy of Noise" I think it was called? The sound quality wasn't great but man I played the shit out of that thing back in the day.

Iholdthepain wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Strat wrote:Whatever...aneurysm is their best song anyway.

Agreed... and it's one of the few that are way better live...

I would argue that, other than "Swap Meet" and "Heart-Shaped Box", they're all better live.

Aye, but would you say they're way better live?

Yes. I've listened to every Nirvana show out there (I got my start in the online Nirvana bootleg world) and in general I prefer live Nirvana to studio Nirvana.

Another song that was better in the studio: "Even In His Youth".

What would you say is their best live song... and best live boot? My favorite video boot is the infamous Trees show for obvious reasons, but now that there are officially released shows, I don't ever visit the old audio boots. I do have a lot on CD-R, but haven't listened to them in a while.

To me it's "Drain You", which is a monster live. There aren't any bad versions, and it's one of the few songs that continued to be great all the way to the very end.

Favorite shows / boots:
* 5/06/1987 - KAOS-FM, Olympia, WA
* 3/19/1988 - Tacoma, WA
* 10/30/1988 - Olympia, WA
* 6/23/1989 - Westwood, CA
* 10/08/1989 - Omaha, NE
* 11/05/1989 - Amsterdam, The Netherlands
* 11/22/1989 - Vienna, Austria
* 5/13/1990 - Omaha, NE
* 10/11/1990 - Olympia, WA
* 10/27/1990 - Norwich, UK
* 11/25/1990 - Seattle, WA
* 3/08/1991 - Vancouver, BC
* 4/17/1991 - Seattle, WA
* 8/27/1991 - Bremen, Germany
* 9/26/1991 - New Haven, CT
* 10/11/1991 - Detroit, MI
* 10/12/1991 - Chicago, IL
* 10/29/1991 - Portland, OR
* 11/06/1991 - Wolverhampton, UK
* 11/23/1991 - Ghent, Belgium
* 12/07/1991 - Rennes, France
* 1/10/1992 - MTV Studios, New York, NY
* 2/06/1992 - Sydney, Australia
* 2/07/1992 - Sydney, Australia
* 6/30/1992 - Stockholm, Sweden
* 9/10/1992 - Portland, OR
* 9/11/1992 - Seattle, WA
* 10/30/1992 - Buenos Aires, Argentina
* 4/09/1993 - San Francisco, CA
* 10/23/1993 - Chicago, IL
* 10/31/1993 - Akron, OH
* 11/27/1993 - Miami, FL
* 12/30/1993 - Inglewood, CA
* 12/31/1993 - Oakland, CA
* 1/08/1994 - Seattle, WA
* 2/14/1994 - Paris, France
* 2/16/1994 - Rennes, France

I'm sure others have some suggestions as well. I've worn out my bootlegs of those shows over the years and I'm glad to have them all in digital format now.

I'd put Drain You up there with Aneurism...

Thanks for narrowing down your list of favorite boots for me

Kevin Davis wrote: I think I had a silver disc boot of that show back in grade school -- "Legacy of Noise" I think it was called? The sound quality wasn't great but man I played the shit out of that thing back in the day.

By some miracle, it's the most-covered "In Utero" show, with 2 audios & 3 videos. "Why?" is anybody's guess.

Iholdthepain wrote:I'd put Drain You up there with Aneurism...

Thanks for narrowing down your list of favorite boots for me

Fine. Here's my top 10:

* 10/30/1988
* 11/05/1989
* 05/13/1990
* 11/25/1990
* 04/17/1991
* 11/06/1991
* 02/06/1992
* 10/30/1992
* 12/31/1993
* 02/16/1994

matt reeder wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:I'd put Drain You up there with Aneurism...

Thanks for narrowing down your list of favorite boots for me

Fine. Here's my top 10:

* 10/30/1988
* 11/05/1989
* 05/13/1990
* 11/25/1990
* 04/17/1991
* 11/06/1991
* 02/06/1992
* 10/30/1992
* 12/31/1993
* 02/16/1994

Thanks... I'll do some digging for those CD-R's... I'll bet I have some of those.

BTW, I really enjoyed the Euro'94 tour posts last year.

Cheers

Can anyone help me to get 'Chosen Rejects' bootleg set in flac?? Lost mine in a harddrive crash...

thanks!

How hard of a drive? Was your car totaled?

verb_to_trust wrote:How hard of a drive? Was your car totaled?

Lol, haha....one space makes so much difference...

So, Montage of Heck is pretty great but it really made me dislike Kurt even more. Seems like he never grew out of his angry 12 year old self and always pretty much acted like a child.

Hopefully, I'll watch this tomorrow.

And good lord I cant stand Courtney Love.

Kurt exhibited signs of Serial Killer in his youth. Good thing he picked up a guitar. This whole "id abort christ for you" is just weird. Granted i wasnt a huge Nirvana Fan but i think its part in fact that I couldnt relate to kurt at all because I felt he never really emotionally grew past the age of 15.