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Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:00 am
by harmless
In its own right, this is a good song. The only real reason I can see for someone vehemently rejecting it as "Pearl Jam" would be if they blanketly rejected every element of this Pearl Jam direction, in which case their problem with Sirens runs deeper than Sirens, and is beside the point of the song itself (even if the song could be pulled apart for evidence of that person's dislike).

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:02 am
by stupidmop
Further into the radio friendly schlock void. Sirens is the 'full retard' version of just breathe. They saw thier kinda cheesy contemporary country ballad and raised it. All it needs Miley Cyrus naked perched atop some form of demolition machinery.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:06 am
by McParadigm
Can we get a countdown poll on the number of days before harmless decides that everyone claiming not to like Sirens is a sociopath and compulsive liar?

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:07 am
by harmless
Eh, that's a bit unfair McP. I'm not the only one who likes it but apparently "take the piss out of Harmless, whatever he says" is the new RM shtick.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:08 am
by stip
that's not really harmless's thing. Besides, I think we've already had plenty of people make that argument.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:09 am
by harmless
Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:11 am
by stip
stupidmop wrote:Further into the radio friendly schlock void. Sirens is the 'full retard' version of just breathe. They saw thier kinda cheesy contemporary country ballad and raised it. All it needs Miley Cyrus naked perched atop some form of demolition machinery.

granted, I think just breathe is a very nice song, but this is a 'sounds like bon jovi' post. How many negative images can I cram into one post to delegitimate the experience of people who are moved by the song. I love the 'full retard' version of radio friendly cheesy schlock. What does that say about me?

Because of course, you are correct, when everyone closes their eyes and listens to this song Miley Cyrus demolishing a building is precisely the image that comes to mind. Not the feel of the dark room, tense silence, the sensation of shattered sleep and sudden panic and gradual relief that the song pretty successfully captures.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:12 am
by stip
harmless wrote:Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song.

It's just different. There's less drama in Just Breathe

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:14 am
by McParadigm
stip wrote:that's not really harmless's thing. Besides, I think we've already had plenty of people make that argument.
That was my way of being bemused by this.
harmless wrote:In its own right, this is a good song. The only real reason I can see for someone vehemently rejecting it as "Pearl Jam" would be if they blanketly rejected every...
Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song


I'm not a Just Breathe fan, but next to this it sounds intimate, tender, and hushed.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:15 am
by Birds in Hell
harmless wrote:...but apparently "take the piss out of Harmless, whatever he says" is the new RM shtick.
Dude.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:18 am
by stip
McParadigm wrote:
stip wrote:that's not really harmless's thing. Besides, I think we've already had plenty of people make that argument.
harmless wrote:In its own right, this is a good song. The only real reason I can see for someone vehemently rejecting it as "Pearl Jam" would be if they blanketly rejected every...
Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song


I'm not a Just Breathe fan, but next to this it sounds intimate, tender, and hushed.

well look, Harmless has enough posts now that he's basically the bible. You can find some Harmless quote to back up any position. The key is to discover the one true Harmless.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:18 am
by harmless
stip wrote:
harmless wrote:Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song.

It's just different. There's less drama in Just Breathe
Yeah, there's just very little context to Just Breathe. I find the context of Sirens (part of which my imagination and experience provides) to be the main draw, and I wish there was more of it. There's too much "love song" and too little "sirens / threat" for me. But still, I like the song and it does what it does with genuine honesty. If someone doesn't experience the same, it's no big deal, but I haven't felt this about a song since "Thumbing My Way", so I'm fairly sure it's nothing to do with being easily pleased.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:20 am
by McParadigm
Harmless Receptus.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:20 am
by stip
McParadigm wrote:
stip wrote:Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song


I'm not a Just Breathe fan, but next to this it sounds intimate, tender, and hushed.

they're both good songs, I think. Not great songs, but good songs that your own experiences can make great.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:20 am
by harmless
stip wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
stip wrote:that's not really harmless's thing. Besides, I think we've already had plenty of people make that argument.
harmless wrote:In its own right, this is a good song. The only real reason I can see for someone vehemently rejecting it as "Pearl Jam" would be if they blanketly rejected every...
Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song


I'm not a Just Breathe fan, but next to this it sounds intimate, tender, and hushed.

well look, Harmless has enough posts now that he's basically the bible. You can find some Harmless quote to back up any position. The key is to discover the one true Harmless.
They're two different songs. "Intimate, tender and hushed" is not what Sirens is going for.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:23 am
by stip
harmless wrote:
stip wrote:
harmless wrote:Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song.

It's just different. There's less drama in Just Breathe
Yeah, there's just very little context to Just Breathe. I find the context of Sirens (part of which my imagination and experience provides) to be the main draw, and I wish there was more of it. There's too much "love song" and too little "sirens / threat" for me. But still, I like the song and it does what it does with genuine honesty. If someone doesn't experience the same, it's no big deal, but I haven't felt this about a song since "Thumbing My Way", so I'm fairly sure it's nothing to do with being easily pleased.
I think I like that the Sirens have already receded by the time he starts singing--that the song is really the aftermath. If you are woken up in terror by something it's the way you take stock of yourself and your life that is more interesting to me than the precipitating event--especially since nothing actually happened. No one got shot. No one was taken to the hospital. The sirens were for someone else, but a warning that someday they'll come for you.


I also think Just Breathe, while having less narrative, still situates itself in a tangible space. I can feel the fire in the fireplace and see the couple sitting there in the soft light.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:23 am
by Heathen
stip wrote: I love the 'full retard' version of radio friendly cheesy schlock. What does that say about me?
Image

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:26 am
by stip
I just saw the list of posters that were on and was wondering which way you were going to respond. I didn't anticipate the cat picture

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:26 am
by harmless
stip wrote:
harmless wrote:
stip wrote:
harmless wrote:Also, Just Breathe is thin, insubstantial and meaningless compared to this song.

It's just different. There's less drama in Just Breathe
Yeah, there's just very little context to Just Breathe. I find the context of Sirens (part of which my imagination and experience provides) to be the main draw, and I wish there was more of it. There's too much "love song" and too little "sirens / threat" for me. But still, I like the song and it does what it does with genuine honesty. If someone doesn't experience the same, it's no big deal, but I haven't felt this about a song since "Thumbing My Way", so I'm fairly sure it's nothing to do with being easily pleased.
I think I like that the Sirens have already receded by the time he starts singing--that the song is really the aftermath. If you are woken up in terror by something it's the way you take stock of yourself and your life that is more interesting to me than the precipitating event--especially since nothing actually happened. No one got shot. No one was taken to the hospital. The sirens were for someone else, but a warning that someday they'll come for you.


I also think Just Breathe, while having less narrative, still situates itself in a tangible space. I can feel the fire in the fireplace and see the couple sitting there in the soft light.
Yeah, that's a nice take, I'm down with that.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Mon October 07, 2013 11:30 am
by stupidmop
stip wrote:
stupidmop wrote:Further into the radio friendly schlock void. Sirens is the 'full retard' version of just breathe. They saw thier kinda cheesy contemporary country ballad and raised it. All it needs Miley Cyrus naked perched atop some form of demolition machinery.

granted, I think just breathe is a very nice song, but this is a 'sounds like bon jovi' post. How many negative images can I cram into one post to delegitimate the experience of people who are moved by the song. I love the 'full retard' version of radio friendly cheesy schlock. What does that say about me?

Because of course, you are correct, when everyone closes their eyes and listens to this song Miley Cyrus demolishing a building is precisely the image that comes to mind. Not the feel of the dark room, tense silence, the sensation of shattered sleep and sudden panic and gradual relief that the song pretty successfully captures.
I agree with all if this, even the sarcastic bits. It says nothing about you to me that you like the song. I just think its all those things that I mentioned above, and if you don't think those are negative things then good for you.