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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 02, 2017 10:46 pm
by McParadigm
I can't confirm I was there, as I signed an agreement while I was there.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 02, 2017 11:00 pm
by wease
Strat wrote:News And Guts
8 mins ยท
Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuses himself from any existing or future investigations into anything dealing with the Presidential Campaigns, this includes investigations into Russia's interference with the election.
He admits to meeting with the Russian ambassador, but insists it wasn't about the campaign.



Okay all you pot heads! Feel free to lie under oath! #makeexamplesgreatagain
Even Republicans have to see that this guy has got to go. He blatantly lied under oath.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:12 am
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
wease wrote:Even Republicans have to see that this guy has got to go. He blatantly lied under oath.
Wrong! According to the deplorables, he did nothing wrong. His statements to congress are being picked and chosen out of context. That seems to be their answer for everything, doesn't it?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:21 am
by McParadigm
Cue "this is why Trump won" joke

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:25 am
by BurtReynolds
They'll fit right in with the more than half of democrats who are pro-curbing free speech.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:36 am
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
BurtReynolds wrote:They'll fit right in with the more than half of democrats who are pro-curbing free hate speech.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:41 am
by BurtReynolds
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:They'll fit right in with the more than half of democrats who are pro-curbing free hate speech anything they disagree with.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:43 am
by PHATJ
I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:44 am
by PHATJ
BurtReynolds wrote:
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:They'll fit right in with the more than half of democrats who are pro-curbing free hate speech anything they disagree with.
This

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:45 am
by Strat
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
You also have to look at the larger picture. Everyone else on his team involved with Russia in some shady gatherings, tilelrson, trumps tax returns, hacked election, trumps refusal to speak poorly about Putin.

At what point do you call a spade a spade?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 12:47 am
by PHATJ
McParadigm wrote:Cue "this is why Trump won" joke
A free press is vital, as is an honest press. Anyone who disagrees is a dope.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:09 am
by PHATJ
Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
You also have to look at the larger picture. Everyone else on his team involved with Russia in some shady gatherings, tilelrson, trumps tax returns, hacked election, trumps refusal to speak poorly about Putin.

At what point do you call a spade a spade


I think there are some legit concerns there that certainly should be investigated. I think some of those things are less important and fall more into the "conspiracy theory" category than anything else. There are several examples of shady interactions on both sides of the isle as well, both amongst members of congress, former presidential candidates, and even the last president. My guess strat, is that you were far less inclined to worry about any of the people you align with politically. And you are entitled to you opinions and approach. I just find it to be extremely hypocritical when partisan bullshit is more important to Americans than the truth. That's really all I care about. I don't want to be lied to. I don't want elected officials blatantly misleading their constituents. Give me honesty or gtfo. And if it is discovered that these people (right or left) have compromised American intelligence, sold information, etc., they should lose their job. It's pretty simple: have integrity, put American interests first, be transparent. If you can't do these things while also doing your job, gtfo.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:13 am
by Norah
I think you've got to admit that this Russian shit is a little more than just your run of the mill shady politics that both sides are guilty of.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:22 am
by Strat
PHATJ wrote:
Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
You also have to look at the larger picture. Everyone else on his team involved with Russia in some shady gatherings, tilelrson, trumps tax returns, hacked election, trumps refusal to speak poorly about Putin.

At what point do you call a spade a spade


I think there are some legit concerns there that certainly should be investigated. I think some of those things are less important and fall more into the "conspiracy theory" category than anything else. There are several examples of shady interactions on both sides of the isle as well, both amongst members of congress, former presidential candidates, and even the last president. My guess strat, is that you were far less inclined to worry about any of the people you align with politically. And you are entitled to you opinions and approach. I just find it to be extremely hypocritical when partisan bullshit is more important to Americans than the truth. That's really all I care about. I don't want to be lied to. I don't want elected officials blatantly misleading their constituents. Give me honesty or gtfo. And if it is discovered that these people (right or left) have compromised American intelligence, sold information, etc., they should lose their job. It's pretty simple: have integrity, put American interests first, be transparent. If you can't do these things while also doing your job, gtfo.
Just becuase i hate the trump administration and everything Donald Trump stands for, does not mean i would not be upset and very concerned if it were hillary, barack, bernie, or fucking Joe the plumber. Thats a bullshit cop out . You should be very concerned and upset at how shady the Trump administration has been and continues to operate today. They are lying to you and have been caught doing so.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:23 am
by digster
PHATJ wrote:
Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
You also have to look at the larger picture. Everyone else on his team involved with Russia in some shady gatherings, tilelrson, trumps tax returns, hacked election, trumps refusal to speak poorly about Putin.

At what point do you call a spade a spade


I think there are some legit concerns there that certainly should be investigated. I think some of those things are less important and fall more into the "conspiracy theory" category than anything else. There are several examples of shady interactions on both sides of the isle as well, both amongst members of congress, former presidential candidates, and even the last president. My guess strat, is that you were far less inclined to worry about any of the people you align with politically. And you are entitled to you opinions and approach. I just find it to be extremely hypocritical when partisan bullshit is more important to Americans than the truth. That's really all I care about. I don't want to be lied to. I don't want elected officials blatantly misleading their constituents. Give me honesty or gtfo. And if it is discovered that these people (right or left) have compromised American intelligence, sold information, etc., they should lose their job. It's pretty simple: have integrity, put American interests first, be transparent. If you can't do these things while also doing your job, gtfo.
Everybody's guilty of this to a certain degree, including yourself. It's what makes someone think the economy is shit the day before Election Day and that the economy is in great shape the day after their preferred candidate won. Republicans right now are in a difficult position because this president is doing things pretty much daily that are causing people to have to commit to that cognitive dissonance.

Take for example, the Yemen raid. What if Obama had embraced a raid without knowing the detail? What if he had been caught tweeting in the midst of the time the raid was set to occur? What if President Obama has said this:
"This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something that was, you know, just they wanted to do. They came to see me. They explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected," he said. "My generals are the most respected that we've had in many decades I believe. And they lost Ryan."
If Obama had blamed the army in such a cavalier manner for the death of one of their own, Republicans would have all but burned the White House down by now.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:25 am
by PHATJ
cutuphalfdead wrote:I think you've got to admit that this Russian shit is a little more than just your run of the mill shady politics that both sides are guilty of.
We'll see how it plays out, and what the actual facts are. And I think this kind of stuff happens all of the time on both sides of the isle, and I think the vast majority of these politicians are crooked as hell.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:27 am
by wease
Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
You also have to look at the larger picture. Everyone else on his team involved with Russia in some shady gatherings, tilelrson, trumps tax returns, hacked election, trumps refusal to speak poorly about Putin.

At what point do you call a spade a spade?
That's racist.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:28 am
by wease
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
He point blank told Al Franken he did not talk to Russia.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:28 am
by Strat
wease wrote:
PHATJ wrote:I'm not a Sessions apologist, I have issues with him and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced, but it seems that meeting with foreign diplomats is a very regular part of his former job. I have little issue with the simple fact that he met with Russian diplomats. I do have a problem with lying under oath. If the evidence proves he intentionally lied under oath, he should go.
He point blank told Al Franken he did not talk to Russia.
Lets just give the guy a chance. They're all crooked anyway. *Shrugs*

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri March 03, 2017 1:29 am
by Norah
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:I think you've got to admit that this Russian shit is a little more than just your run of the mill shady politics that both sides are guilty of.
We'll see how it plays out, and what the actual facts are. And I think this kind of stuff happens all of the time on both sides of the isle, and I think the vast majority of these politicians are crooked as hell.
It's so much easier to just think everyone is as bad as everyone else. No distinctions to make, no nuance to work out.