Red Mosquito

Mickey wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Mickey wrote:American Animals.

Didn't hear much about this but I thought it was excellent. Evan Peters is so good.

yeah, it really is.

watched No Sudden Move. not great.

Say more about its not-great-ness, because I agree but it had all the right elements to be great.

Malloy wrote:

Mickey wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Mickey wrote:American Animals.

Didn't hear much about this but I thought it was excellent. Evan Peters is so good.

yeah, it really is.

watched No Sudden Move. not great.

Say more about its not-great-ness, because I agree but it had all the right elements to be great.

soderbergh’s narrative form was really sloppy. that was the main issue

tragabigzanda wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:if you ever want to see a gentle blind woman get hanged for no good reason, have i got a film for you

That takes a lot of the power out of the film, trag.

I'm not really a spoiler guy in general but that's a big fucking spoiler.

Yeah I guess you’re right. But apart from Malloy, I’d be surprised if another RMer actually watched it this late in the game.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Mobray, the hangman, is the one to first bring up the topic of justice. In reference to Domergue’s impending hanging, he discusses the difference between the justice administered by civilized society, which is overseen by the law, and “frontier justice,” which usually consists of unmediated revenge. What follows are a series of awful events that force us to ask if justice, in each case, has been served. The Hateful Eight is even visually bookended by this question. Tarantino opens his film by slowly panning down along a statue of Jesus on the cross — a symbol of unjust execution — and ends it by panning up the body of one of the most despicable characters as they’re being lynched. Are these two killings being equated? Contrasted? Does The Hateful Eight even care, or is it simply a clever aesthetic touch?

I don’t think the movie cares all that much. Most of its cinematic verve, energy and fervor are directed elsewhere – not towards seriously exploring such questions, but at making each act of hate and violence as giddily entertaining as possible. At best The Hateful Eight is a nihilistic shrug. At worst it’s an argument for auteurist vigilantism as moral high ground.

What, then, is the movie’s missing ingredient? I’d propose that a tinge of sorrow would have gone a long way toward increasing the film’s level of sophistication. If only there was some sense that movie violence is more than an intellectual toy, a tool for provocation. If only there was recognition that movie violence carries a spiritual weight as well as a titillating one. I could point to other, far greater Westerns that know this – the Coen Brothers’ True Grit, Paul Newman’s Hombre, John Ford’s The Searchers – but the truth is that the best Tarantino movies acknowledge this too. Sorrow can be felt in the way Harvey Keitel cradles a dying Tim Roth in Reservoir Dogs. You see it in Uma Thurman’s dead eyes in Pulp Fiction. Sorrow is all over Robert Forster’s face in Jackie Brown. And it can be heard in the clanging shackles of Django Unchained. But it’s nowhere to be found in The Hateful Eight. Here, even the screams are gleeful.

tree_ wrote:well.. it's confirmed.. h8ful 8 is my least favorite QT movie.. there just isn't much to it.. i don't know the point of making a movie like this other than "cause i can"

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

epilogue wrote:man, I can't wait for QT to be done making movies