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Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 1:06 am
by Leatherhead
LBC is definitely better than I am Mine.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 7:10 pm
by epilogue
Leatherhead wrote:LBC is definitely better than I am Mine.
I definitely disagree

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 9:15 pm
by stip
epilogue wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:LBC is definitely better than I am Mine.
I definitely disagree

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 9:16 pm
by stip
best song on Riot Act

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 9:57 pm
by tommy
LBC > Evenflow

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sat November 04, 2023 10:12 pm
by epilogue
calm down tommy

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sun November 05, 2023 8:53 am
by Matters
LBC is such good cheese. When they kick into “hold me and make it the truth” it’s one of the best moments on the album.

No retrack. No b-sides.

You Are is a masterpiece.

Arc is as good as it gets. Top shelf Pearl Jam.

5 stars:
Can’t Keep
LBC
Cropduster
You Are
Help Help
Arc

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sun November 05, 2023 9:02 pm
by guitar_davey
PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Sun November 05, 2023 10:57 pm
by blueviper
stip wrote:best song on Riot Act
Yes. “You Are” is the best song on Riot Act

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 3:20 am
by Matters
guitar_davey wrote:PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.
“Love boat captain, take the reigns and steer us towards the clear, here.
It’s already been sung but it can’t be said enough, all you need is love.”

It’s the nice cheese you bring to your aunt’s house on Christmas Eve. Cambozola maybe. Delicious.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 5:51 am
by guitar_davey
Matters wrote:
guitar_davey wrote:PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.
“Love boat captain, take the reigns and steer us towards the clear, here.
It’s already been sung but it can’t be said enough, all you need is love.”

It’s the nice cheese you bring to your aunt’s house on Christmas Eve. Cambozola maybe. Delicious.

Given the subject matter of the song, it's perfect. :heartbeat:

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 7:44 am
by igotworms
guitar_davey wrote:PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.
I'd say Future Days, Sirens and Jusy Breathe are the only pure cheese songs in their catalogue.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 12:53 pm
by stip
is cheese just sentimentality you arent moved by? those are all songs seemingly about Ed’s family but open hearted longing and protectiveness is in their DNA

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 3:59 pm
by guitar_davey
stip wrote:is cheese just sentimentality you arent moved by? those are all songs seemingly about Ed’s family but open hearted longing and protectiveness is in their DNA
This is a really good question.

One of the main reasons I (and many others) gravitated to Pearl Jam is the authenticity in Ed's lyrics. I mean, it doesn't get any more sentimental than Black, but hearing that song at the height of the power ballad hair metal era, it landed differently than those types of songs because it felt intensely personal and relatable.

For whatever reason, songs like Sirens and Future Days feel like they veer a bit into the saccharine, although I can't put my finger on exactly what it is. I'm sure EV means what he's singing just as much as he did with Black, but there's a poppy corniness to my ears that wasn't there years ago -- those tunes feel like Desmond Child or Diane Warren could have co-written them, and Pearl Jam never felt like that to me once upon a time.

The other culprit for me, cheese-wise, is the rock songs that feel a little too poppy and throwaway, lyrically-speaking -- Supersonic, Infallible, and LTRP would be three of the worst offenders for me. I guess there's a lack of gravitas that at one time was never absent in their songwriting.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 10:23 pm
by RockPusher
igotworms wrote:
guitar_davey wrote:PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.
I'd say Future Days, Sirens and Jusy Breathe are the only pure cheese songs in their catalogue.
Just Breathe does not belong with those other two. It has *immensely cheesy* production but it's guitar progression, singing and lyrics are beautiful and if not vintage Pearl Jam at least very high quality EV.

(FWIW I love the poetry of Sirens, and generally view its problems as partially production as well- it feels like it was Frankenstein-stitched together)

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 10:29 pm
by liebzz
Sirens problem is that the music doesn’t match the lyrics to me. Sirens musically to me always sounded like it should one of those slow burn Nothing As It Seems songs, not a ballad on mortality. There’s a place for that, just not here in my ears.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 10:55 pm
by guitar_davey
RockPusher wrote:
igotworms wrote:
guitar_davey wrote:PJ have dipped their toes into some cheese over the last fifteen years or so, but I've never considered LBC cheesy whatsoever.

I can understand people not liking the title, although that never bothered me either.
I'd say Future Days, Sirens and Jusy Breathe are the only pure cheese songs in their catalogue.
Just Breathe does not belong with those other two. It has *immensely cheesy* production but it's guitar progression, singing and lyrics are beautiful and if not vintage Pearl Jam at least very high quality EV.

(FWIW I love the poetry of Sirens, and generally view its problems as partially production as well- it feels like it was Frankenstein-stitched together)
Agree about Just Breathe.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 10:59 pm
by Ms Harmless
it would be nice to just get a hint of what the new Pearl Jam song sounds like, I feel like nothing says "we don't care much about it" than not describing its sound at all

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 11:11 pm
by VinylGuy
I actually feel the band does care a lot.

Re: 12th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon November 06, 2023 11:17 pm
by tommy
VinylGuy wrote:I actually feel the band does care a lot.
You're thinking of Faith No More