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hlniv wrote:Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Varis wrote:

hlniv wrote:Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

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hlniv wrote:

Varis wrote:

hlniv wrote:Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

Iholdthepain wrote:

hlniv wrote:

Varis wrote:

hlniv wrote:Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

Thank you!

hlniv wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

hlniv wrote:

Varis wrote:

hlniv wrote:Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

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Kaius wrote:If Jeff and stone are the least happy with Vitalogy and no code then I'm now convinced they're what is wrong with PJ. But I could be misinformed here.

theplatypus wrote:

Mine wrote: exactly. Stadium rock is what they were before and what they are now, with exceptions obviously, but that seems to be what they want to be perceived as. "Not stadium rock enough" is their main issue with those 2 records as far as i can tell.
What else do you think their ideas could have been at the time?

WHY ARE YOU SO WEIRD

Mine wrote:

Kaius wrote:If Jeff and stone are the least happy with Vitalogy and no code then I'm now convinced they're what is wrong with PJ. But I could be misinformed here.

Add Mike to that. Doesn't contemplating leaving the band alone imply that, even without other quotes.

Strat wrote:where does Mine get his info from?

Pretty certain Ament is gushing abotu Vs. and Vitalogy throughout all th reissure nonsense. Saying how that record sounds as good and strong now as it did back then.

According to Ament, Pearl Jam reached a crossroads between 1996's "No Code" album and 1998's "Yield."

"There was a point during "No Code' where I was ready to quit because I felt like I had all these ideas that I wanted to contribute and people just weren't interested," Ament says. "Luckily I had some other creative outlets. I had a home studio and I made a couple of records with Three Fish [Ament's side band]. If it wouldn't have been for that, I doubt if I would have stayed in the band. It was a tough environment. It wasn't a creative environment."

Around the time of 1994's "Vitalogy" Pearl Jam became "Ed's band," says Ament, referring to frontman Eddie Vedder. "I think that was him just trying to see what he could do, see how far he could take it. Fortunately, at the end of the "No Code' thing, I think he was just so fried from trying to finish all these songs that Eddie said, "I can't do this anymore."'

digster wrote:I've never seen anything about Stone or Jeff 'hating' those records. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever read anything about any band members hating any of their records, unless saying anything the least bit critical automatically means 'hating.'

"Vitalogy is the first one where Ed plays guitar and he wrote three to four songs. I remember thinking, 'This is so different. Is anyone going to like this?'...It had a more punk feel to it. Simple songs recorded really quickly."[8] The album has a notable lack of guitar solos compared with the band's first two albums. McCready said, "Vitalogy is not really a 'solo' album. I don't think the songs demanded solos; it was more of a rhythmic album."[3]

GOSSARD: No matter what, you're going to have a time when some people are going to lose interest in you. We could still sell out live, which took some of the ego sting. But there was definitely a sense of us not delivering the goods in the way that the masses expected from us. It's only in hindsight that it seems all right. Then, I was straining at it. We didn't talk about it. Talk about what? How do we get people to like us again?

Mine wrote:

digster wrote:I've never seen anything about Stone or Jeff 'hating' those records. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever read anything about any band members hating any of their records, unless saying anything the least bit critical automatically means 'hating.'

"Vitalogy is the first one where Ed plays guitar and he wrote three to four songs. I remember thinking, 'This is so different. Is anyone going to like this?'...It had a more punk feel to it. Simple songs recorded really quickly."[8] The album has a notable lack of guitar solos compared with the band's first two albums. McCready said, "Vitalogy is not really a 'solo' album. I don't think the songs demanded solos; it was more of a rhythmic album."[3]

"It's a record that is semi-unprofessional, observes Gossard. "We were just kind of winging it and trying stuff that maybe didn't quite work, but sometimes that stuff sounds good ten years later. It's like Rolling Stones records like Emotional Rescue, where they're trying to be funky. It's like, 'Yeah, I don't know...'
"but you listen to it ten years later and go, 'Fuck! That's jamming!' It just goes to show that it takes a while to see that you're making the right moves. I don't think anyone in the band knew that No Code was the right record to make. I think we were like, 'I hope this is good.' It's not that experimental, but it's us. It's really us."