Red Mosquito

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I love movies and television. They both scratch different itches for me. And I don't have a problem with either format when either format is done well. I probably prefer TV at this point (in general) because of the way shows are trending toward long-form, continuous storytelling. The age of the stand-alone is rapidly fading and I love that.

Mad Men will likely remain the greatest show of all time in my mind because it was able to navigate that thin bridge between stand-alone, episodic storytelling and more long-form continuity. It jumps in time, often inexplicably and unexpectedly. It is possible to watch an episode here and there (and because the overall quality of the art direction, writing, acting, directing is so staggeringly brilliant) without feeling too lost. However, the constant viewer is heavily rewarded by watching the entire show in order. Just fucking brilliant. It's like one awesome, epic, 67 hour movie.

...aaaaaand of course I fucking HATE that. Perhaps the single biggest problem with the TV format. Whatever happened to catharsis?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I love movies and television. They both scratch different itches for me. And I don't have a problem with either format when either format is done well. I probably prefer TV at this point (in general) because of the way shows are trending toward long-form, continuous storytelling. The age of the stand-alone is rapidly fading and I love that.

Mad Men will likely remain the greatest show of all time in my mind because it was able to navigate that thin bridge between stand-alone, episodic storytelling and more long-form continuity. It jumps in time, often inexplicably and unexpectedly. It is possible to watch an episode here and there (and because the overall quality of the art direction, writing, acting, directing is so staggeringly brilliant) without feeling too lost. However, the constant viewer is heavily rewarded by watching the entire show in order. Just fucking brilliant. It's like one awesome, epic, 67 hour movie.

...aaaaaand of course I fucking HATE that. Perhaps the single biggest problem with the TV format. Whatever happened to catharsis?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

The argument that more time allows for better character development is the biggest fallacy in the entire TV-vs-film debate.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

The argument that more time allows for better character development is the biggest fallacy in the entire TV-vs-film debate.

Not better, just different. I see no debate here. We're comparing apples and oranges.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

The argument that more time allows for better character development is the biggest fallacy in the entire TV-vs-film debate.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

The argument that more time allows for better character development is the biggest fallacy in the entire TV-vs-film debate.

Your face is a fallacy.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

The argument that more time allows for better character development is the biggest fallacy in the entire TV-vs-film debate.

Your face is a fallacy.

Unfortunately, my face is true.

The Argonaut wrote:3 eps in, and I'm really digging Big Little Lies, the HBO miniseries on TV right now. It is occasionally silly and it seems to be set up to live or die on its ending, but I'm into it. I wouldn't fault anyone for not liking it, though. Some of the characters are built to be as insufferable as possible, and even the good guys are constitutionally annoying. But for me, that's part of the charm.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:3 eps in, and I'm really digging Big Little Lies, the HBO miniseries on TV right now. It is occasionally silly and it seems to be set up to live or die on its ending, but I'm into it. I wouldn't fault anyone for not liking it, though. Some of the characters are built to be as insufferable as possible, and even the good guys are constitutionally annoying. But for me, that's part of the charm.

I like it too.

The Argonaut wrote:3 eps in, and I'm really digging Big Little Lies, the HBO miniseries on TV right now. It is occasionally silly and it seems to be set up to live or die on its ending, but I'm into it. I wouldn't fault anyone for not liking it, though. Some of the characters are built to be as insufferable as possible, and even the good guys are constitutionally annoying. But for me, that's part of the charm.