Transgender Rights

[Bi_3]

I'm debating whether or not to make this thread my focus on RM. There are too many people posting here that are fucking gross and need to their shit smacked.

Isn't it just the same two? Which, I guess is too many, but you make it sound like we're being overrun by assholes lol.

bmac’s becoming more and more proggle by the day too. Disclaimers attempting to distance himself from the horrible counter arguments he likes to share.

Nah, you've just allowed the aperture to open ever-so-slightly and are seeing a glimmer beyond the political binary trap you fell into many years ago. Next we work on DCT.

[tommy]

I'm debating whether or not to make this thread my focus on RM. There are too many people posting here that are fucking gross and need to their shit smacked.

Isn't it just the same two? Which, I guess is too many, but you make it sound like we're being overrun by assholes lol.

bmac’s becoming more and more proggle by the day too. Disclaimers attempting to distance himself from the horrible counter arguments he likes to share.

Nah, you've just allowed the aperture to open ever-so-slightly and are seeing a glimmer beyond the political binary trap you fell into many years ago. Next we work on DCT.

This is hilarious coming from someone who spends as much time on Twitter as you do

[Bi_3]

I'm debating whether or not to make this thread my focus on RM. There are too many people posting here that are fucking gross and need to their shit smacked.

Isn't it just the same two? Which, I guess is too many, but you make it sound like we're being overrun by assholes lol.

bmac’s becoming more and more proggle by the day too. Disclaimers attempting to distance himself from the horrible counter arguments he likes to share.

Nah, you've just allowed the aperture to open ever-so-slightly and are seeing a glimmer beyond the political binary trap you fell into many years ago. Next we work on DCT.

This is hilarious coming from someone who spends as much time on Twitter as you do

This should make it’s easy for DCT to disprove the things I’ve posted here then

[Peeps]

Can anyone who is against transgendered rights tell me how they have personally been affected by transgendered rights?

[VinylGuy]

the bathrooms OMG the bathroooomsss

[BurtReynolds]

[E.H. Ruddock]

is that Jorge

[McParadigm]

Can anyone who is against transgendered rights tell me how they have personally been affected by transgendered rights?

Here’s why I don’t like this line of argument:

In 2023-2024, over one million high school boys participated in football programs across the United States. Studies have consistently shown that between 19 and 24% of high school football participants leave high school with CTE. So, as many as 250,000 young men currently in high school have brain injuries they acquired while playing high school football…nearly as large as the entire cohort of 300,000 high school students who identify as transgendered.

Parents letting their high school aged children injure themselves in this way doesn’t affect me. But I still care about it. I still have an opinion about it. It still upsets me.

In fact, it’s the number that comes to my mind every single time someone expresses concern that trans youth will make changes to their body they can’t undo, before they’re old enough to understand the real consequences of those changes.

The regret rate research on transitioning is all over the place, but 13% of young people who transition eventually transition back. So let’s go high and assume 25% regret rate.

25% of the 20,000 students who are actively transitioning (not just identifying) equates to 5,000 students who will come to see their transitioning as a mistake…or roughly 1/50th the number of students who will have brain injuries, thanks to high school football.

So anyway, that’s why I don’t like the “if it doesn’t affect you directly, you shouldn’t care about it“ stance. Because by that logic, I shouldn’t be concerned about what is a much more significant and prevalent problem that young people are facing.

[BurtReynolds]

Personally I agree with peeps that all laws and norms should be determined by how they negatively affect me - a straight white male - personally.

That's why today I have put forward a bill that would outlaw separate bathrooms for men and women, and we can all use whichever bathroom we desire. If you're in a hurry and have to take a shit, who cares who is in the stall next to you? It's time to put away outdated and sexist concepts like men's and women's bathrooms. Why did we ever have them anyway? We have progressed beyond the need for these archaic social norms.

[warehouse]

can we leave foootball out of this? or start a new thread about those batshit crazy stats? there's no way a fifth of high school football players have cte. most kids aren't developed enough to injure someone that bad.

and i'd happily take a dump next to a transgendered dude.

[Peeps]

Can anyone who is against transgendered rights tell me how they have personally been affected by transgendered rights?

Here’s why I don’t like this line of argument:

In 2023-2024, over one million high school boys participated in football programs across the United States. Studies have consistently shown that between 19 and 24% of high school football participants leave high school with CTE. So, as many as 250,000 young men currently in high school have brain injuries they acquired while playing high school football…nearly as large as the entire cohort of 300,000 high school students who identify as transgendered.

Parents letting their high school aged children injure themselves in this way doesn’t affect me. But I still care about it. I still have an opinion about it. It still upsets me.

In fact, it’s the number that comes to my mind every single time someone expresses concern that trans youth will make changes to their body they can’t undo, before they’re old enough to understand the real consequences of those changes.

The regret rate research on transitioning is all over the place, but 13% of young people who transition eventually transition back. So let’s go high and assume 25% regret rate.

25% of the 20,000 students who are actively transitioning (not just identifying) equates to 5,000 students who will come to see their transitioning as a mistake…or roughly 1/50th the number of students who will have brain injuries, thanks to high school football.

So anyway, that’s why I don’t like the “if it doesn’t affect you directly, you shouldn’t care about it“ stance. Because by that logic, I shouldn’t be concerned about what is a much more significant and prevalent problem that young people are facing.

then make a law making it illegal to play football and lets see how well that plays out then

if a male to female transgendered is in the female bathroom the only time you are going to see them is at the sink. so basically you arent against a transgendered taking a dump next to you (where you make absolutely no eye contact with or have any interactions with unless you both are laughing at the wet shit noise one of you just made) you are agains a transgendered using your sink and paper towel dispenser.

how fucking idiotic is that?

ive been at concerts where women have come into the mens room because the womens bathroom lines were too long. you know how many people paid attention to that? none. we were busy using the pee trough

[BurtReynolds]

Didn't expect peeps to agree with me but satire truly is dead. Well played.

[Peeps]

Didn't expect peeps to agree with me but satire truly is dead. Well played.

honestly i could care less who is in the bathroom with me. it isnt going to affect my time in there in the least

and i could also say i didnt expect burt to agree with me...ever think of that?

[BurtReynolds]

I think men's and women's bathrooms and locker rooms probably exist for a reason, and didn't develop out of thin air, and those reasons have nothing to do with what men need or how comfortable they are.

Contrary to popular, modern narratives, men in general actually care about women, and agree that they need their own spaces, and most (but apparently not all) can understand why a woman would feel a bit insecure in a shared bathroom.

[E.H. Ruddock]

seriously, that guy in Burt's meme is Jorge right?

[Bi_3]

Can anyone who is against transgendered rights tell me how they have personally been affected by transgendered rights?

Here’s why I don’t like this line of argument:

In 2023-2024, over one million high school boys participated in football programs across the United States. Studies have consistently shown that between 19 and 24% of high school football participants leave high school with CTE. So, as many as 250,000 young men currently in high school have brain injuries they acquired while playing high school football…nearly as large as the entire cohort of 300,000 high school students who identify as transgendered.

Parents letting their high school aged children injure themselves in this way doesn’t affect me. But I still care about it. I still have an opinion about it. It still upsets me.

In fact, it’s the number that comes to my mind every single time someone expresses concern that trans youth will make changes to their body they can’t undo, before they’re old enough to understand the real consequences of those changes.

The regret rate research on transitioning is all over the place, but 13% of young people who transition eventually transition back. So let’s go high and assume 25% regret rate.

25% of the 20,000 students who are actively transitioning (not just identifying) equates to 5,000 students who will come to see their transitioning as a mistake…or roughly 1/50th the number of students who will have brain injuries, thanks to high school football.

So anyway, that’s why I don’t like the “if it doesn’t affect you directly, you shouldn’t care about it“ stance. Because by that logic, I shouldn’t be concerned about what is a much more significant and prevalent problem that young people are facing.

I agree with you on this post, but where did you get the stats and are they differentiated from Gender Dysphoria? GD in teens has a natural desistance rates of 65-90% if the child is not transitioned (a very valid argument for avoiding transition in children altogether) and the CDC published a report that says around 3% of children identify as trans with another 2% questioning.

[Bi_3]

Let's try this thought experiment: Putting aside whether or not this can happen, would you be comfortable if all college level athletic scholarships went to men?

(edit: simplified)

[Peeps]

Let's try this thought experiment: Putting aside whether or not this can happen, would you be comfortable if all college level athletic scholarships went to men?

(edit: simplified)

its not a matter of can this happen it did happen. title IX wasnt signed into law until 1972 and before that athletic scholarships for women were rare.

[Bi_3]

Let's try this thought experiment: Putting aside whether or not this can happen, would you be comfortable if all college level athletic scholarships went to men?

(edit: simplified)

its not a matter of can this happen it did happen. title IX wasnt signed into law until 1972 and before that athletic scholarships for women were rare.

Putting aside whether or not this can happen, would you be comfortable if all college level athletic scholarships went to men?

[McParadigm]

Can anyone who is against transgendered rights tell me how they have personally been affected by transgendered rights?

Here’s why I don’t like this line of argument:

In 2023-2024, over one million high school boys participated in football programs across the United States. Studies have consistently shown that between 19 and 24% of high school football participants leave high school with CTE. So, as many as 250,000 young men currently in high school have brain injuries they acquired while playing high school football…nearly as large as the entire cohort of 300,000 high school students who identify as transgendered.

Parents letting their high school aged children injure themselves in this way doesn’t affect me. But I still care about it. I still have an opinion about it. It still upsets me.

In fact, it’s the number that comes to my mind every single time someone expresses concern that trans youth will make changes to their body they can’t undo, before they’re old enough to understand the real consequences of those changes.

The regret rate research on transitioning is all over the place, but 13% of young people who transition eventually transition back. So let’s go high and assume 25% regret rate.

25% of the 20,000 students who are actively transitioning (not just identifying) equates to 5,000 students who will come to see their transitioning as a mistake…or roughly 1/50th the number of students who will have brain injuries, thanks to high school football.

So anyway, that’s why I don’t like the “if it doesn’t affect you directly, you shouldn’t care about it“ stance. Because by that logic, I shouldn’t be concerned about what is a much more significant and prevalent problem that young people are facing.

I agree with you on this post, but where did you get the stats and are they differentiated from Gender Dysphoria? GD in teens has a natural desistance rates of 65-90% if the child is not transitioned (a very valid argument for avoiding transition in children altogether) and the CDC published a report that says around 3% of children identify as trans with another 2% questioning.

Fair question.

For the CTE stats, I relied on:

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1. A 2017 American Medical Association study, which found that 21% of brains donated by high school football players had CTE (compared to <1% for the general population).

2. The UNITE brain bank study (I forget the year, but recent), which found that brains donated by people who had played high school contact sports were 200 times more likely to have CTE or early signs of CTE than the general population.

3. The Boston CTE Center study, which found that 71.4% of all athletes diagnosed with CTE played only at the high school or college amateur level.

4. CTE prevalence is always tricky to determine, because it mostly depends on brains donated to science. But when the donated brains of people who played high school contact sports are consistently many times more likely to show CTE than the general population…the point is more or less made.

For the transgender stats, I relied on:

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1. The 2023 CDC poll you referenced, where 3.3% of respondents self-identified as trans. This is not the number of students pursuing or actively transitioning, but merely self-identifying. The study had 20,000 participants. If extrapolated out to the general population, this would suggest something close to 570,000 self-identifying trans students. But it relied heavily on data from the Youth Risk Behavior Survey assessment, which has historically overcounted other self-identifiers due to its methodology, focus on at-risk behaviors, and often-skewed population selection (it is a voluntary and anonymous poll of teens, so you can imagine). Like any assessment that is more or less just a form of polling, it tends to produce wild deviation figures whenever a particular topic is in the public conversation….and these deviations that inevitably regress back to the norm afterwards. It also has a history of getting punked…again, because it relies on anonymous responses filled out by teens. Since all prior years demonstrated numbers that were closer to one and a half percent than to three, I also sought other metrics for reference.

2. I looked at the number of gender dysmorphia diagnoses in the United States, which is a necessary prerequisite to any serious medical intervention. This is basic database stuff. Between 2017 and 2023 (a six year period), there were 342,476 such diagnoses among teens …more than half of which were later removed without treatment. I train and support medical record documentation and review among physicians and RNs for a major hospital system, and I can tell you that a lot of diagnoses that are not acted upon or later associated with any form of treatment or care can be completely ignored. We spend an enormous amount of time cleaning that shit up.

3. I noted the percentage of Americans who live in states where gender affirming care is not currently available.

4. I also utilized a 2022 Komodo Health report, which demonstrated that 4,780 teens had initiated puberty blocker therapy as part of a gender-affirming care program during the previous 5 year period. I consider this number an undercount, because it is based on insurance claims/requests.

Currently in the US, 19% of insurance plans provide some form of coverage for gender-affirming hormone therapy, and another 12% provide other paths to coverage. But people who have coverage are much more likely to take part in therapies of ALL kinds and types than those who don’t, so “this number is only based on the 1/5 of people who have insurance coverage for hormone therapy” doesn’t equate to “there might be five times as many people taking hormone therapy as the insurance claims show.”

Thus I landed at 20,000. Admittedly an imperfect evaluation….but I tried.