Red Mosquito

There are moments but generally I don't get it either.

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Kaius wrote:I'm sorry guys, I still don't get Tom Waits. I really like most everyone's musical sensibilities here, but Waits is absolutely dreadful to these ears.

Agreed, but a lot of people whose opinions on music I respect love him, so I don't hate.

Well, at least there's three of us who don't get it. Hey Tom. Louis Armstrong called. He'd like you to return his entire musical sensibility, singing style, persona, phrasing, aura, vocabulary, vibe, tone, etc. as soon as possible. I realize that will leave you without, well shoot, a single original note of music in your entire catalog, but them's the breaks.

Okay, so maybe numbers and I differ slightly on the "not hating" part. Sorry, Tom fans. If it's any consolidation, I enjoy Louis Armstrong, which is the exact same thing, only about 40 years earlier.

Tom Waits is many things, but unoriginal and derivative are not two of them

Okay, Brett vs. Koopee.

In the end I just didn't really care for any of Brett's songs. Our tastes diverge pretty early out the gate, at least with this collection of songs. While the music in God Bless our Dead Marines was interesting in a sinister gypsy carnival kind of way, it's a slog to listen to that guy sing. Likewise with Deerhoof--didn't like that Japanese school girl sound in the singer's voice. The Oceansize song was overlong, but decent. It had a cool outro. But animal collective was a step in the wrong direction--the unhinged qualtiy in the singer's voice came across like an affectation. The next three songs were probably the strongest stretch ont he record. Microphones and DMST weren't bad, and stars of the lid was probably the best song on the mix. I've commented on Evangilists before. I think I liked it less this time with the more careful listen. I liked the Sandro Perri song for a whille, but it wore out its welcome long before the end. The Godspeed song was just a slog. Some decent moments buried in a 20 minute track.

My big issue with the length on these songs was that it rarely seemed necessary, and in many of the better songs the interesting moments were undercut by dragging them out for so long.

Koopee has a decent team. Again, not a particular fan of lanegan's work with the queens (or the queens in general), but this was at least a solid performance of that song. I like Mississippi (and would have drafted Tweedle Dum if we were building larger teams). I love Schism. The outkast song is fun. Ball and bisquit is not a white stripes song I ever seek out. I need to listen to more of the yeah yeah yeah's, since I like most of what I've heard. Maps is a quality song. Clint Eastwood is annoying, and I'm not on the mike patton train. But the porcupine trees song was good, and the last track had some epic moments. Strong ending.

Vote for koopee.

stip wrote:Tom Waits is many things, but unoriginal and derivative are not two of them

Uuuummm. Seriously, Stip, have you heard much Louis Armstrong? If you're a Tom Waits fan, I can't see how you wouldn't also be an Armstrong fan. It's essentially the same schtick -- and I'm not using that word pejoratively in this instance. Originality is debatable (although in this case, it's a debate that doesn't favor Waits), but I don't see how anyone could say the guy's not derivative. Being derivative is kind of his whole thing, isn't it?

numbers wrote:A lot of people whose opinions on music I respect love him.

+1 for this, so please, folks, don't take my not getting TW personally. I know lots of people with great taste in music who love the guy.

PryTo wrote: I enjoy Louis Armstrong, which is the exact same thing, only about 40 years earlier.

As a huge fan of Tom Waits and Louis Armstrong, I feel this is a silly and superficial comparison. Yes, Waits had a Satchmo growl-- for about four years in the late 70s. If you listen to something from Bone Machine, Blood Money or Swordfishtrombones and still contend that Louis Armstrong is "exactly the same thing but earlier", I... I don't know what to tell you.

I can absolutely understand someone who only listened to those late 70s albums coming away with "he's just doing Louis Armstrong's shtick", absolutely. The voice, the vocal affectations, the subject matter and song style (more in the piano-ballad side of Armstrong's spectrum than the jazz, ragtime or brass-band side), but for the great majority of his career (pretty much 1981 onward) he's been doing really different, inventive music that mixes all manner of styles and approaches.

Also the period of his career (spanning 30+) active years that he is revered for. Foreign Affairs is not why Tom waits is a legend

PryTo wrote:

numbers wrote:A lot of people whose opinions on music I respect love him.

+1 for this, so please, folks, don't take my not getting TW personally. I know lots of people with great taste in music who love the guy.

I'm not offended. Tw is a tough sell. I just think this is absurd

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theplatypus wrote:I can absolutely understand someone who only listened to those late 70s albums coming away with "he's just doing Louis Armstrong's shtick", absolutely. The voice, the vocal affectations, the subject matter and song style (more in the piano-ballad side of Armstrong's spectrum than the jazz, ragtime or brass-band side), but for the great majority of his career (pretty much 1981 onward) he's been doing really different, inventive music that mixes all manner of styles and approaches.

All of this.

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DeLima this was a tie. Goes to DeLima for "Didn't It Rain". my favorite song in the tournament so far. Gorgeous.
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That song is something else eh

wrong thread?

Kaius wrote:DeLima this was a tie. Goes to DeLima for "Didn't It Rain". my favorite song in the tournament so far. Gorgeous.

DeLima wrote:That song is something else eh

So yeah, wrong thread.

Is DeLima Canadian? I thought he was Peruvian.

'Cause his name means "from Lima".

Heathen wrote:So yeah, wrong thread.

What are you scoundrels talking about?

Heathen wrote:

Kaius wrote:DeLima this was a tie. Goes to DeLima for "Didn't It Rain". my favorite song in the tournament so far. Gorgeous.

DeLima wrote:That song is something else eh

I can't be expected to remember text from the previous post