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Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:38 pm
by tree_
What would you call, Joe and trag, Hannibal Lecter? He was certainly controlled and precise. Maybe the most of all. It's the only way to be a successful criminal really. And I suppose if his victims were only rapists, he's just a hardcore feminist and not a bad guy at all.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:39 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
i do feel like it makes for a sympathetic character, she has PTSD, is calculated and precise, and so on…and in a movie context it totally works, but i think tree’s take is fair about this kind of thing in real life
maybe we’re conflating the two and shouldn’t?
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:40 pm
by tree_
Again, I enjoyed the hell out of the movie. It's really great. But I don't understand how generally sane and good people can cheer her on without having at least a few scruples about it. My wife was all scrupled up and that's part of the fun.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:45 pm
by The Argonaut
If the world is inhabited by psychopaths (rapists, rape apologists, rape ignorers), is the one woman who fights those psychopaths also crazy? Or is she the one sane person in an insane world?
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:48 pm
by tree_
The Argonaut wrote:If the world is inhabited by psychopaths (rapists, rape apologists, rape ignorers), is the one woman who fights those psychopaths also crazy? Or is she the one sane person in an insane world?
If you go looking for evil, it's not hard to find. There's good too, often in the same people. And people can change. Motive is the crux of it. Is she doing it to better the human race? Or does it simply empower her and give her pleasure, temporary relief from her condition? She's sick. She's not happier or better for her actions.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:56 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
she would be arrested and tried as a woman!
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 6:58 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
should i watch the first two Trolls movies?
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:19 pm
by tree_
Croupier. Not good, shitty production. Kinda feels like it was written by Michael Scott.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:42 pm
by epilogue
Jorge wrote:Sociopaths can be deliberate, precise, and controlled. Source: I am one
But again, what word are we arguing. Sociopath, psychopath and crazy have all been used at different times. When I referenced uncontrolled I was referring to "crazy."
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:43 pm
by epilogue
tree_ wrote:What would you call, Joe and trag, Hannibal Lecter? He was certainly controlled and precise. Maybe the most of all. It's the only way to be a successful criminal really. And I suppose if his victims were only rapists, he's just a hardcore feminist and not a bad guy at all.
How many people di Hannibal Lecter kill, eat, or kill and eat?
How many people did Cassie kill, eat, or kill and eat?
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:44 pm
by epilogue
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:i do feel like it makes for a sympathetic character, she has PTSD, is calculated and precise, and so on…and in a movie context it totally works, but i think tree’s take is fair about this kind of thing in real life
maybe we’re conflating the two and shouldn’t?
The film has been described by those who made it as a black comedy, a thriller, and a fable. Probably best not to conflate the two.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:46 pm
by BurtReynolds
Rank the cinematic sociopaths.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:55 pm
by tree_
epilogue wrote:tree_ wrote:What would you call, Joe and trag, Hannibal Lecter? He was certainly controlled and precise. Maybe the most of all. It's the only way to be a successful criminal really. And I suppose if his victims were only rapists, he's just a hardcore feminist and not a bad guy at all.
How many people di Hannibal Lecter kill, eat, or kill and eat?
How many people did Cassie kill, eat, or kill and eat?
I was only saying this to counter your "controlled, precise = sane, healthy" point.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:57 pm
by tree_
Joe, if you think her behavior is justified and healthy, fine. But I just want you to know I think that's crazy. Agree to disagree.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:58 pm
by Jorge
epilogue wrote:Jorge wrote:Sociopaths can be deliberate, precise, and controlled. Source: I am one
But again, what word are we arguing. Sociopath, psychopath and crazy have all been used at different times. When I referenced uncontrolled I was referring to "crazy."
Sociopath
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:58 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
epilogue wrote:lennytheweedwhacker wrote:i do feel like it makes for a sympathetic character, she has PTSD, is calculated and precise, and so on…and in a movie context it totally works, but i think tree’s take is fair about this kind of thing in real life
maybe we’re conflating the two and shouldn’t?
The film has been described by those who made it as a black comedy, a thriller, and a fable. Probably best not to conflate the two.
i would think so too…maybe it was only i reading that into people replying here
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:59 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
Jorge wrote:epilogue wrote:Jorge wrote:Sociopaths can be deliberate, precise, and controlled. Source: I am one
But again, what word are we arguing. Sociopath, psychopath and crazy have all been used at different times. When I referenced uncontrolled I was referring to "crazy."
Sociopath
yeah
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 7:59 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
the ending for real gutted me
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 8:05 pm
by epilogue
tree_ wrote:epilogue wrote:tree_ wrote:What would you call, Joe and trag, Hannibal Lecter? He was certainly controlled and precise. Maybe the most of all. It's the only way to be a successful criminal really. And I suppose if his victims were only rapists, he's just a hardcore feminist and not a bad guy at all.
How many people di Hannibal Lecter kill, eat, or kill and eat?
How many people did Cassie kill, eat, or kill and eat?
I was only saying this to counter your "controlled, precise = sane, healthy" point.
I was using dictionary definitions.
Re: What movies are you watching?
Posted: Tue October 12, 2021 8:08 pm
by tree_
What definition are you referring to?