Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:

bune wrote:

Moshimistic wrote:A friend posted this quote today on Facebook:

"The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing.

The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant.

The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
~ David Foster Wallace

So true. My wife has flirted with the idea of suicide - to the point of planning how I and my son would be taken care of after - because of the amount of constant pain she is in. When you're faced with that much pain for days or weeks of time, you look at suicide and say, "hey, that will only hurt for a moment."

meatwad wrote:

bune wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

bune wrote:Most of what I've been thinking, especially with the suddenness of this, is that maybe it's like with Robin Williams.

Meaning what? Didn't Robin Williams have a debilitating disease that was becoming hard to function with normally?

Exactly that, yes.

Even so, hanging himself in his hotel room in the middle of a tour after a show seems out of character from those who knew him best.

Look I don't know Chris Cornell, but the person who I think he was based on "knowing" him through his music and message, interviews he's given, etc. just don't add up to this sort of sudden and shocking demise. I don't think there's any evidence of him having some sort of debilitating illness...he was an active 52-year-old by all accounts, played nonstop with his bands and continually created.

Even if there was some sort of illness, he seemed like the kind of guy who would have faced it with his family by his side. At least that's who I continue to believe he was. Kurt Cobain? Wasn't that surprising. The guy was a 27-year-old, anxiety-ridden junkie. Scott Weiland? Another junkie trainwreck. Same with Layne. That wasn't Chris Cornell, and his having lived through all the friends he lost, to come through on the other side with a wife and young kids that by all accounts he loved and adored, his band, the adulation and adoration of pretty much everyone...it all just makes this seem so implausible.

I've been thinking about the whole Phil Hartman situation again. This reminds me of that.

Phil Hartman was killed by his wife who was coked out of her mind.

There was a recent interview on Maron's podcast with a former SNL member (I think it was David Spade?). Whoever it was, they said they believed it was a combination of cocaine and prescription meds before bed that caused her to wake up in a fit of insanity.

verb_to_trust wrote:Why was a recovering drug addict being prescribed a controlled substance to 'help him sleep'?

wease wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Why was a recovering drug addict being prescribed a controlled substance to 'help him sleep'?

The thing is, in most of these rehab programs, benzodiazepines can be used and patients aren't taken off those. It's pretty much just the narcotics that is seen as being the "bad" drugs. My brother in law went thru his program on Xanax and he still takes 4mg of it every day. And it's just as addictive and probably more dangerous than the opioids. You could absolutely die if you just stop a benzo cold turkey. It's much harder for our patients to stop benzos than pain meds.

given2fly23 wrote:The fact that an over-prescribed drug took him from us takes me from sad to really fucking angry.

There was a review of Detroit somewhere today that said he seemed off, irritable, distant. I listened to Atlanta from last week over the weekend and thought he seemed off too. It was odd because it wasnt the first show of the tour and he is so on, always. Never misses lyrics or pulls off early.

given2fly23 wrote:The fact that an over-prescribed drug took him from us takes me from sad to really fucking angry.

given2trade wrote:FWIW it's a very helpful drug when not abused. It has gotten me through dozens of panic attacks over the years. I can think of no downside to the drug for me. When I take a pill I feel "normalized" vs. feeling like I'm on a drug. The only effect it's had on me negatively is it makes you tired. But again, I only take .5mg.

bodysnatcher wrote:

given2fly23 wrote:The fact that an over-prescribed drug took him from us takes me from sad to really fucking angry.

This.

I'm not gonna play armchair psychiatrist or mental health doctor. I don't want to pretend I know the anxiety and depression that Chris dealt with that led him to a prescription of meds. But it blends into an area of concern and anger that I have towards the rampant prescriptions of these drugs. My wife's entire family (minus her dad) is on completely unnecessary pills, and the doctors just keep boosting their dosage. It's fucking insane. Money in their pockets at a large cost.

Fuck man, now I'm just pissed.

edit: read g2t's post above mine. i'm fully aware that drugs are prescribed for very serious and for very good reasons. and i'm not saying Chris didn't fall into that category. i'm just angry at the unnecessary rampant use of them, and subsequently, the abuse bc they are so readily available.

tragabigzanda wrote:

wease wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

bune wrote:

Moshimistic wrote:A friend posted this quote today on Facebook:

"The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing.

The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant.

The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
~ David Foster Wallace

So true. My wife has flirted with the idea of suicide - to the point of planning how I and my son would be taken care of after - because of the amount of constant pain she is in. When you're faced with that much pain for days or weeks of time, you look at suicide and say, "hey, that will only hurt for a moment."

meatwad wrote:

bune wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

bune wrote:Most of what I've been thinking, especially with the suddenness of this, is that maybe it's like with Robin Williams.

Meaning what? Didn't Robin Williams have a debilitating disease that was becoming hard to function with normally?

Exactly that, yes.

Even so, hanging himself in his hotel room in the middle of a tour after a show seems out of character from those who knew him best.

Look I don't know Chris Cornell, but the person who I think he was based on "knowing" him through his music and message, interviews he's given, etc. just don't add up to this sort of sudden and shocking demise. I don't think there's any evidence of him having some sort of debilitating illness...he was an active 52-year-old by all accounts, played nonstop with his bands and continually created.

Even if there was some sort of illness, he seemed like the kind of guy who would have faced it with his family by his side. At least that's who I continue to believe he was. Kurt Cobain? Wasn't that surprising. The guy was a 27-year-old, anxiety-ridden junkie. Scott Weiland? Another junkie trainwreck. Same with Layne. That wasn't Chris Cornell, and his having lived through all the friends he lost, to come through on the other side with a wife and young kids that by all accounts he loved and adored, his band, the adulation and adoration of pretty much everyone...it all just makes this seem so implausible.

I've been thinking about the whole Phil Hartman situation again. This reminds me of that.

Phil Hartman was killed by his wife who was coked out of her mind.

There was a recent interview on Maron's podcast with a former SNL member (I think it was David Spade?). Whoever it was, they said they believed it was a combination of cocaine and prescription meds before bed that caused her to wake up in a fit of insanity.

And Hartmans friends believe that Andy Dick was the one that gave her the coke. Lovitz hates him to this day.

Whoa! News to me, and I'm a junkie for all things SNL. I already hated Andy Dick, but now I do even more.

given2fly23 wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

given2fly23 wrote:The fact that an over-prescribed drug took him from us takes me from sad to really fucking angry.

This.

I'm not gonna play armchair psychiatrist or mental health doctor. I don't want to pretend I know the anxiety and depression that Chris dealt with that led him to a prescription of meds. But it blends into an area of concern and anger that I have towards the rampant prescriptions of these drugs. My wife's entire family (minus her dad) is on completely unnecessary pills, and the doctors just keep boosting their dosage. It's fucking insane. Money in their pockets at a large cost.

Fuck man, now I'm just pissed.

edit: read g2t's post above mine. i'm fully aware that drugs are prescribed for very serious and for very good reasons. and i'm not saying Chris didn't fall into that category. i'm just angry at the unnecessary rampant use of them, and subsequently, the abuse bc they are so readily available.

Exactly. Yesterday all the posts were about suicide prevention, but what we need to be talking about is THIS apparently.

Fuck! Such an unnecessary loss.

bodysnatcher wrote:

given2fly23 wrote:The fact that an over-prescribed drug took him from us takes me from sad to really fucking angry.

This.