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Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:07 pm
by Thurman Murman
Ole can stay right where it is.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:10 pm
by VinylGuy
Kevin Davis wrote:I like "Ole" more than every song on Lightning Bolt.
i guess my favorite song from this period is Pendulum, no doubt about it. I love it so much. After that Yellow Moon, Sirens, My Fathers Son and MYM and then Sleeping By Myself.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:54 pm
by gardenparty
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 7:03 pm
by VinylGuy
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 7:17 pm
by Ms Harmless
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
some turds are an easier shape to shit out than others

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 7:57 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 7:59 pm
by gardenparty
Ms Harmless wrote:
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
some turds are an easier shape to shit out than others
I agree 100% :lol:

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:00 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
yeah, it is. Mike and Stone are on fire.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:05 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
gardenparty wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:yeah, Olé does "fun" and "silly" about a million times better than "Supersonic" and I'd rather listen to it than "Big Wave"
fair enough but you are comparing turds to turds here
Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
yeah, it is. Mike and Stone are on fire.
And that chorus is so fucking catchy! Great hook

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 9:27 pm
by Birds in Hell
Kevin Davis wrote:I like "Ole" more than every song on Lightning Bolt.
Me too.
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote: Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
I love Big Wave.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 9:29 pm
by epilogue
Birds in Hell wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:I like "Ole" more than every song on Lightning Bolt.
Me too.
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote: Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
I love Big Wave.
Real Talk: your love of Big Wave is what got me to sit down and listen to (and thus appreciate) it on a new level. I liked it fine at first. But after you championed it, I gave it a more detailed listen and fell in love. :heartbeat:

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 9:59 pm
by RockPusher
durdencommatyler wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:I like "Ole" more than every song on Lightning Bolt.
Me too.
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote: Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
I love Big Wave.
Real Talk: your love of Big Wave is what got me to sit down and listen to (and thus appreciate) it on a new level. I liked it fine at first. But after you championed it, I gave it a more detailed listen and fell in love. :heartbeat:
The first part of the song is meh for me but it does get weird and awesome in the end.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm
by Birds in Hell
durdencommatyler wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:I like "Ole" more than every song on Lightning Bolt.
Me too.
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote: Big Wave is actually a cool song for me.
Big Wave is great
I love Big Wave.
Real Talk: your love of Big Wave is what got me to sit down and listen to (and thus appreciate) it on a new level. I liked it fine at first. But after you championed it, I gave it a more detailed listen and fell in love. :heartbeat:
That's great!

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm
by Jaeti
Just chiming in to say I'm pretty sure I'm pretty okay with Olé. Probably only listened to it a handful of times when we got it. I didn't love it, but it didn't make me mad and sad like Can't Deny Me. Just listened to it again, and, yeah, it's fun and fine enough.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:50 am
by guitar_davey
What is it that people hate so passionately about Ole? I get that these aren't Eddie's deepest lyrics by any stretch, but for a one-off tune, it's pretty fun and has pretty decent production.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am
by stip
Hate is a strong word but stupid lyrics really knock a song down for me, and Eddie is singing in the register/range that I like the least. And his performance (the combo of those two things)is generally what makes or breaks a song for me

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 2:13 pm
by VinylGuy
Im not a fan of Ole, i think i only listened to that one a dozen times...still i like the intro and outro. Its a cool b side for sure. And i have so many memories of the release, because i was in NY and saw the performance live on tv. Almost made it to the studio even...and bought the book a week later in Orlando.

Good memories.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 pm
by guitar_davey
stip wrote:Hate is a strong word but stupid lyrics really knock a song down for me, and Eddie is singing in the register/range that I like the least. And his performance (the combo of those two things)is generally what makes or breaks a song for me
:thumbsup:

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:23 pm
by epilogue
guitar_davey wrote:What is it that people hate so passionately about Ole? I get that these aren't Eddie's deepest lyrics by any stretch, but for a one-off tune, it's pretty fun and has pretty decent production.
I think there is a certain brand of PJ fan that doesn't like when they go full light-weight. A lot o fans related to the angst and complexity of songs like Alive and Even Flow and Jeremy and Animal and Rearview Mirror. And so when PJ flexes there other muscles they get weird about it. That's not everyone, certainly. But it does reflect some fans.

Songs like Black Red Yellow, Dirty Frank, Hitchhiker, Happy When I'm Crying, Push Me, Pull Me, etc... represent a color of Pearl Jam that I adore. And it's been there from the very beginning. I love that success allowed them to mine that stuff even more over the years. To me, Ole is the heir apparent to that particular line.

It's got funk and groove and a looseness that I think is indicative of what I like most about the band as a live act. But I totally understand why that kind of thing is uninteresting or off-putting or uninteresting to fans that gravitate to other colors of the band's extensive palate.

Re: Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:39 pm
by stip
durdencommatyler wrote:
guitar_davey wrote:What is it that people hate so passionately about Ole? I get that these aren't Eddie's deepest lyrics by any stretch, but for a one-off tune, it's pretty fun and has pretty decent production.
I think there is a certain brand of PJ fan that doesn't like when they go full light-weight. A lot o fans related to the angst and complexity of songs like Alive and Even Flow and Jeremy and Animal and Rearview Mirror. And so when PJ flexes there other muscles they get weird about it. That's not everyone, certainly. But it does reflect some fans.

Songs like Black Red Yellow, Dirty Frank, Hitchhiker, Happy When I'm Crying, Push Me, Pull Me, etc... represent a color of Pearl Jam that I adore. And it's been there from the very beginning. I love that success allowed them to mine that stuff even more over the years. To me, Ole is the heir apparent to that particular line.

It's got funk and groove and a looseness that I think is indicative of what I like most about the band as a live act. But I totally understand why that kind of thing is uninteresting or off-putting or uninteresting to fans that gravitate to other colors of the band's extensive palate.
I am definitely in that camp you reference. I've gotten better about it over time, but it's there. Part of it is that he often approaches them a certain way vocally that doesn't click for me - not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.