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Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:38 am
by evenslow
Birds in Hell wrote:I think Matt's an excellent drummer, a great songwriter and seems like a super dude, but his style is forever an awkward fit for Pearl Jam.
Agree with this for sure. Other than the 98 tour, Matt has been inconsistently inspired when it comes to PJ. Quick Escape is a great example of him really bringing it - unfortunately it's few and far between as the years go by.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:42 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:45 am
by VinylGuy
I think Matt is super awesome on Binaural, RA, ST and Gigaton. Most of best stuff on Backspacer is because of him.
Its only LB were he sounds bored. and the production of the drums is horrible.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 3:56 am
by Birds in Hell
tragabigzanda wrote:For the record, I think Matt killed it on Binaural and Riot Act, and about half of ST and BS; I couldn’t imagine another drummer on certain songs. Then there are others where he just feels wrong, despite his prowess.
In an alternate universe where Pearl Jam, I don't know, went on extended hiatus while Jack recuperated in 1998, I certainly expect their subsequent records would have been quite different.
Jack's way of playing would presumably have helped some ideas develop into full songs which just wouldn't have worked with Matt, and vice versa.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:04 am
by Leatherhead
This song is pretty weird. I love it.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:24 am
by stip
except for the Dance outro, I think the final minute of SBWM (from the leaked segment to the end) is my favorite minute on the album
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:46 am
by Ms Harmless
I want to make a mashup of this instrumental with "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks vocals, but I have neither the software nor the knowledge
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:00 pm
by Leatherhead
evenslow wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:I think Matt's an excellent drummer, a great songwriter and seems like a super dude, but his style is forever an awkward fit for Pearl Jam.
Agree with this for sure. Other than the 98 tour, Matt has been inconsistently inspired when it comes to PJ. Quick Escape is a great example of him really bringing it - unfortunately it's few and far between as the years go by.
Nah, fuck this. Pearl Jam's best stuff is with Matt Cameron.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:07 pm
by Rob
Leatherhead wrote:evenslow wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:I think Matt's an excellent drummer, a great songwriter and seems like a super dude, but his style is forever an awkward fit for Pearl Jam.
Agree with this for sure. Other than the 98 tour, Matt has been inconsistently inspired when it comes to PJ. Quick Escape is a great example of him really bringing it - unfortunately it's few and far between as the years go by.
Nah, fuck this. Pearl Jam's best stuff is with Matt Cameron.
???
Matt was GREAT on Binaural, but I agree he's not the best fit for them. Listening to him in Soundgarden vs Pearl Jam is like hearing two different drummers.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:18 pm
by Leatherhead
Except for Gigaton since it came out, probably 80% of my PJ listening is stuff from the Binaural and Riot Act years.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:29 pm
by Leatherhead
If No Code and Yield sucked, everybody would say Jack Irons didn't fit well with Pearl Jam.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:34 pm
by VinylGuy
The whole drummer debate isnt going to be over but im truly happy with Matt. Binaural, RA and ST are way up there with their best and Gigaton might be a three spot album for me.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 9:00 pm
by Strat
VinylGuy wrote:The whole drummer debate isnt going to be over but im truly happy with Matt. Binaural, RA and ST are way up there with their best and Gigaton might be a three spot album for me.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 9:28 pm
by Ms Harmless
Leatherhead wrote:If No Code and Yield sucked, everybody would say Jack Irons didn't fit well with Pearl Jam.
I said that until Matt came along; to be honest I get less and less happy with their drummer the further away we get from Dave A
edit: that doesn't take away from every drummer's strengths and best moments, I just think there's a ceiling as far as how much I'm gonna enjoy the rhythm section of a song since he left
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:05 pm
by guitar_davey
Ms Harmless wrote:Leatherhead wrote:If No Code and Yield sucked, everybody would say Jack Irons didn't fit well with Pearl Jam.
I said that until Matt came along; to be honest I get less and less happy with their drummer the further away we get from Dave A
edit: that doesn't take away from every drummer's strengths and best moments, I just think there's a ceiling as far as how much I'm gonna enjoy the rhythm section of a song since he left
I love those early PJ records -- they're a formative part of my life, to be honest.
That said, Dave A's drumming (to my ears) sounds very dated and very 90s. I get why people prefer him to Matt, but MC's drumming sounds a lot more timeless to me.
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:07 pm
by Jorge
It's "timeless" because it's bland
(MC is capable of great things and I love his songwriting but he's often so metronomical and straightforward with PJ)
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:08 pm
by Jorge
That said, my favorite PJ drummer is Jack, so what do I know
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:14 pm
by guitar_davey
theplatypus wrote:It's "timeless" because it's bland
(MC is capable of great things and I love his songwriting but he's often so metronomical and straightforward with PJ)
I don't disagree with your last point, but I find Dave A pretty one-dimensional. The bashing the cymbals and all...
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:18 pm
by Ms Harmless
guitar_davey wrote:theplatypus wrote:It's "timeless" because it's bland
(MC is capable of great things and I love his songwriting but he's often so metronomical and straightforward with PJ)
I don't disagree with your last point, but I find Dave A pretty one-dimensional. The bashing the cymbals and all...
nah, Dave A just has a groove metal heart; if he'd been raised in today's scene he'd be playing djent
Re: Superblood Wolfmoon
Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:22 pm
by Ms Harmless
theplatypus wrote:It's "timeless" because it's bland
(MC is capable of great things and I love his songwriting but he's often so metronomical and straightforward with PJ)
yup
I know we don't agree on favourite drummers (I think your favourite is Jack, right?) but we can agree that both Dave A and Jack both had distinctive *character*; you could tell a Dave A or Jack song in 3 seconds; I can tell a Matt song quickly too, but only because my first thought is "he's not DOING enough"