Red Mosquito

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Jorge wrote:By that logic no two works by the same artist should be compared because they were made at different expertise/experience levels. It's okay to say that one is better

Yes and Saul is definitely better. I guess my point is more that context matters. Breaking Bad was great for its time.

Disagree. For everything that BB did well, it missed some key fundamentals of TV excellence: characters you could root for, and tight pacing/plot mechanics.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Jorge wrote:By that logic no two works by the same artist should be compared because they were made at different expertise/experience levels. It's okay to say that one is better

Yes and Saul is definitely better. I guess my point is more that context matters. Breaking Bad was great for its time.

Disagree. For everything that BB did well, it missed some key fundamentals of TV excellence: characters you could root for, and tight pacing/plot mechanics.

tragabigzanda wrote:I never liked Jesse and hated Walt once he went full Heisenberg. Did anyone root for Hank or just view him as comic relief?

Much of the show felt like a slog for me: Basically everything with Jesse once he got a girlfriend, she died, he became depressed; and lots of stuff around Walt and Skyler’s relationship felt tedious and unrealistic — she could be conveniently dumb whenever the show needed her to be.

BurtReynolds wrote:I also liked all the main characters, even Skyler.

Ello Sailor wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I also liked all the main characters, even Skyler.

Now this shit is crazy.

BurtReynolds wrote:I also liked all the main characters, even Skyler.

Jorge wrote:There are many good and enjoyable things about it. It's just very silly and occasionally stupid

Ms Harmless wrote:

Jorge wrote:There are many good and enjoyable things about it. It's just very silly and occasionally stupid

if it's "comedy" at all, I think that's where the funny lies, and it seems very deliberately that way

it feels like Walt is living this bizarre, over the top narcissistic comedy of errors, while everyone around him is slowly having their lives ruined; the very silly and irresponsible is contrasted with the very serious and traumatized

that's my take, anyway! it's just a solid piece of genuine satire (not just something some dude has slapped the term "satire" onto just to defend it)

Mickey wrote:Not every social critique is a satire.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:Not every social critique is a satire.

thanks, I was not aware...

but I view Breaking Bad as satire, amongst other things

Mecca wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Jorge wrote:There are many good and enjoyable things about it. It's just very silly and occasionally stupid

if it's "comedy" at all, I think that's where the funny lies, and it seems very deliberately that way

it feels like Walt is living this bizarre, over the top narcissistic comedy of errors, while everyone around him is slowly having their lives ruined; the very silly and irresponsible is contrasted with the very serious and traumatized

that's my take, anyway! it's just a solid piece of genuine satire (not just something some dude has slapped the term "satire" onto just to defend it)

I’ve never seen BB called a satire and I’m not sure I would agree.

Your description of Walt does make me kind of view his story as someone who thinks they can control a wildfire cuz he does it successfully until he teams up with nazis