Red Mosquito

yeah, im sure...and he called her padme

Here's a pretty balanced review of episode three in Vulture, which is part of New York Magazine.

This is a funny read that picks on the writing a bit:

Vader further tortures his former father-slash-brother figure with a bunch of hackneyed bullshit out of a second-tier mid-2000s superhero movie: “I am what you made me” and “You should have killed me when you had the chance.” James Earl Jones returns for this? Obi-Wan is granted a temporary reprieve from both overcooked skin and undercooked writing when Tala shows up to save him. But to do so, she has to leave Leia on her own, which sends her into Reva’s clutches.

https://www.vulture.com/article/obi-wan ... three.html

spike wrote:

Mecca wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:¨I wish i banged you mom¨ was a very sincere moment from Ben.

“I mean, come on, you’ve seen your mom… oh”

Do you think he banged Sabé to get it out of his system?

What else are body doubles for?

Vader further tortures his former father-slash-brother figure with a bunch of hackneyed bullshit out of a second-tier mid-2000s superhero movie: “I am what you made me” and “You should have killed me when you had the chance.” James Earl Jones returns for this?

Sorry Coach but nothing about that quote seems "balanced."

Honestly, if the retcon crowd wants to get its underwear all twisted up, how come no one wants to talk about Obi-Wan and Yoda's conversation in Empire? OBK literally says Luke is the only hope. Yoda tells him "there is another." It's bad enough that OBK doesn't remember that two fucking kids were born but that shit is even more egregious now that we've seen the first three episodes of this series.

Maybe they wipe Leia's memory (I really doubt it!) but someone is gonna need to move an x-wing with their mind to explain how the fuck Obi-Wan can't remember Leia in Empire!

Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

Oh totally. Canonically we know she can't show any obvious Force use for a few years. I just think it's shitty that Obi-Want doesn't remember Leia exists. Not that she is the "new hope" but he doesn't even seem to remember her at all!


They've actually explored this in canon. Yoda believes Leia is "the chosen one" but OBK really thinks it's Luke. So it actually tracks really well and makes sense that he makes his comment to Yoda.

epilogue wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

Oh totally. Canonically we know she can't show any obvious Force use for a few years. I just think it's shitty that Obi-Want doesn't remember Leia exists. Not that she is the "new hope" but he doesn't even seem to remember her at all!


They've actually explored this in canon. Yoda believes Leia is "the chosen one" but OBK really thinks it's Luke. So it actually tracks really well and makes sense that he makes his comment to Yoda.

It was always Anakin

Mecca wrote:

epilogue wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

Oh totally. Canonically we know she can't show any obvious Force use for a few years. I just think it's shitty that Obi-Want doesn't remember Leia exists. Not that she is the "new hope" but he doesn't even seem to remember her at all!


They've actually explored this in canon. Yoda believes Leia is "the chosen one" but OBK really thinks it's Luke. So it actually tracks really well and makes sense that he makes his comment to Yoda.

It was always Anakin

Tell that to Kenobi

I like the depiction of Kenobi as straight-up traumatized by the stuff that went down with Anakin

Jorge wrote:I like the depiction of Kenobi as straight-up traumatized by the stuff that went down with Anakin

Me too. I think it's super interesting and well done.

epilogue wrote:Vader further tortures his former father-slash-brother figure with a bunch of hackneyed bullshit out of a second-tier mid-2000s superhero movie: “I am what you made me” and “You should have killed me when you had the chance.” James Earl Jones returns for this?

Sorry Coach but nothing about that quote seems "balanced."

My point is that there are times in the article where the writer gives praise/endorses ideas and criticizes others.

Coach wrote:

epilogue wrote:Vader further tortures his former father-slash-brother figure with a bunch of hackneyed bullshit out of a second-tier mid-2000s superhero movie: “I am what you made me” and “You should have killed me when you had the chance.” James Earl Jones returns for this?

Sorry Coach but nothing about that quote seems "balanced."

My point is that there are times in the article where the writer gives praise/endorses ideas and criticizes others.

I'll give it a read. Thanks.

epilogue wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

Oh totally. Canonically we know she can't show any obvious Force use for a few years. I just think it's shitty that Obi-Want doesn't remember Leia exists. Not that she is the "new hope" but he doesn't even seem to remember her at all!


They've actually explored this in canon. Yoda believes Leia is "the chosen one" but OBK really thinks it's Luke. So it actually tracks really well and makes sense that he makes his comment to Yoda.

He didn't say Leia didn't exist. It's just that Luke's their only hope. She's worthless. So are all the other shitty Jedi running around. Fuckin' Ahsoka and Ezra, running around chasing space whales. Pfft!

epilogue wrote:

Coach wrote:

epilogue wrote:Vader further tortures his former father-slash-brother figure with a bunch of hackneyed bullshit out of a second-tier mid-2000s superhero movie: “I am what you made me” and “You should have killed me when you had the chance.” James Earl Jones returns for this?

Sorry Coach but nothing about that quote seems "balanced."

My point is that there are times in the article where the writer gives praise/endorses ideas and criticizes others.

I'll give it a read. Thanks.

Cool

Is Vader toying with Obi-Wan at this point?

That get away was too easy. Vader could have put out that fire or crushed that robot or force choked that woman.

He did all those things in this episode, and any one of them would have ended Obi-Wan's escape.

B wrote:

epilogue wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe leia never showed she was force sensitive. At least to obi wan’s knowledge

Oh totally. Canonically we know she can't show any obvious Force use for a few years. I just think it's shitty that Obi-Want doesn't remember Leia exists. Not that she is the "new hope" but he doesn't even seem to remember her at all!


They've actually explored this in canon. Yoda believes Leia is "the chosen one" but OBK really thinks it's Luke. So it actually tracks really well and makes sense that he makes his comment to Yoda.

He didn't say Leia didn't exist. It's just that Luke's their only hope. She's worthless. So are all the other shitty Jedi running around. Fuckin' Ahsoka and Ezra, running around chasing space whales. Pfft!

B wrote:Is Vader toying with Obi-Wan at this point?

That get away was too easy. Vader could have put out that fire or crushed that robot or force choked that woman.

He did all those things in this episode, and any one of them would have ended Obi-Wan's escape.

I like to think that was a moment of "there's still good in him" coming out. That was how I read the scene.

But it's also totally valid to read that as a cat/mouse thing. He said he wanted to torture Kenobi. So maybe he did let him go knowing full well he'd get him again.

epilogue wrote:

B wrote:Is Vader toying with Obi-Wan at this point?

That get away was too easy. Vader could have put out that fire or crushed that robot or force choked that woman.

He did all those things in this episode, and any one of them would have ended Obi-Wan's escape.

I like to think that was a moment of "there's still good in him" coming out. That was how I read the scene.

But it's also totally valid to read that as a cat/mouse thing. He said he wanted to torture Kenobi. So maybe he did let him go knowing full well he'd get him again.

Yeah, they will meet again. Hard to believe Obi Wan got away in this instance, but didn't take away from the fire scene.