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Re: Sirens

Posted: Sat October 12, 2013 7:29 pm
by harmless
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:I think that for better or worse, there would probably be no Pearl Jam without Ed. He's always been most of what represented Pearl Jam in my eyes. I love the rest of the other musicians but they're secondary; it's probably all I agree with BoB on. That of course means that if Ed seems to have dropped the ball, the whole thing is let down, whether that be vocally, musically or just in terms of leadership and organisation. I know he fixes songs and I know he "leads" the band in practical ways. That's not something that's about to change. But some of the decisions I felt he was influencing during the Backspacer era were scaring the shit out of me. If BoB is a problem, I'm fairly sure it's because Ed lets him be.
it's because the band let's him or possibly because he took over what were Ed's responsibilities for a while, i honestly have no idea.
Yup, no idea here either. Your last idea seems plausible. I don't like it, but the band seem happy enough about it so unless they throw a tantrum, we may as well just sit back and focus on the music...

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sat October 12, 2013 7:37 pm
by Mine
harmless wrote:
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:I think that for better or worse, there would probably be no Pearl Jam without Ed. He's always been most of what represented Pearl Jam in my eyes. I love the rest of the other musicians but they're secondary; it's probably all I agree with BoB on. That of course means that if Ed seems to have dropped the ball, the whole thing is let down, whether that be vocally, musically or just in terms of leadership and organisation. I know he fixes songs and I know he "leads" the band in practical ways. That's not something that's about to change. But some of the decisions I felt he was influencing during the Backspacer era were scaring the shit out of me. If BoB is a problem, I'm fairly sure it's because Ed lets him be.
it's because the band let's him or possibly because he took over what were Ed's responsibilities for a while, i honestly have no idea.
Yup, no idea here either. Your last idea seems plausible. I don't like it, but the band seem happy enough about it so unless they throw a tantrum, we may as well just sit back and focus on the music...
Just going by what Stone said in the recent interviews they all have equal decision making power. It all comes down to having the balls to voice those opinions at the end of the day i believe. It also seems it took them this long because they didn't want B'OB to have too much control this time.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sat October 12, 2013 7:39 pm
by harmless
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:I think that for better or worse, there would probably be no Pearl Jam without Ed. He's always been most of what represented Pearl Jam in my eyes. I love the rest of the other musicians but they're secondary; it's probably all I agree with BoB on. That of course means that if Ed seems to have dropped the ball, the whole thing is let down, whether that be vocally, musically or just in terms of leadership and organisation. I know he fixes songs and I know he "leads" the band in practical ways. That's not something that's about to change. But some of the decisions I felt he was influencing during the Backspacer era were scaring the shit out of me. If BoB is a problem, I'm fairly sure it's because Ed lets him be.
it's because the band let's him or possibly because he took over what were Ed's responsibilities for a while, i honestly have no idea.
Yup, no idea here either. Your last idea seems plausible. I don't like it, but the band seem happy enough about it so unless they throw a tantrum, we may as well just sit back and focus on the music...
Just going by what Stone said in the recent interviews they all have equal decision making power. It all comes down to having the balls to voice those opinions at the end of the day i believe. It also seems it took them this long because they didn't want B'OB to have too much control this time.
That's the feeling I get as well. So that's good. Here's to a better foreseeable future...

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sat October 12, 2013 7:44 pm
by Mine
harmless wrote:
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:
Mine wrote:
harmless wrote:I think that for better or worse, there would probably be no Pearl Jam without Ed. He's always been most of what represented Pearl Jam in my eyes. I love the rest of the other musicians but they're secondary; it's probably all I agree with BoB on. That of course means that if Ed seems to have dropped the ball, the whole thing is let down, whether that be vocally, musically or just in terms of leadership and organisation. I know he fixes songs and I know he "leads" the band in practical ways. That's not something that's about to change. But some of the decisions I felt he was influencing during the Backspacer era were scaring the shit out of me. If BoB is a problem, I'm fairly sure it's because Ed lets him be.
it's because the band let's him or possibly because he took over what were Ed's responsibilities for a while, i honestly have no idea.
Yup, no idea here either. Your last idea seems plausible. I don't like it, but the band seem happy enough about it so unless they throw a tantrum, we may as well just sit back and focus on the music...
Just going by what Stone said in the recent interviews they all have equal decision making power. It all comes down to having the balls to voice those opinions at the end of the day i believe. It also seems it took them this long because they didn't want B'OB to have too much control this time.
That's the feeling I get as well. So that's good. Here's to a better foreseeable future...
:ohyeah!:

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 2:16 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
Im still getting chills every time i listen to this song

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 2:18 pm
by harmless
I think I've felt for a while that the song gets more and generic as it moves along. It starts so promisingly, and there's a beautiful middle 8, but then headed towards the outro, we're in full radio ballad territory.

Having said that, my overall impression of the song is still very positive.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 2:33 pm
by stip
The outro is my favorite part :)

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 2:35 pm
by harmless
:lol:

The xylophone / keyboard sound makes it remind me of Take That / Robbie Williams, rather than a rock song, which I don't like. And it's the part of the song where the guitars should have built up and there's actually fewer of them.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 3:08 pm
by harmless
I'm gutted that Ed didn't sound good on this one live, but I'm not at all surprised.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 3:13 pm
by Jorge
You know what this song needs

A big ol' saxophone solo

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 3:36 pm
by evenslow
theplatypus wrote:You know what this song needs

A big ol' saxophone solo
If only Ed had heard the sirens coming down Baker Street.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 5:13 pm
by psychobain
3/5

this one could be HUGE, but the chorus is weak

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 8:34 pm
by Release_Me
harmless wrote:I'm gutted that Ed didn't sound good on this one live, but I'm not at all surprised.
Here?

http://youtu.be/z1vpvWqDgMk

Considering the shitty audience recording, he sounds fine to me. Sirens shouldn't be problematic for him live because it doesn't really have a difficult part. The closest it gets to difficult are the falsetto transitions.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 8:47 pm
by harmless
He's flat a lot of the time. It's not hard to tell.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 8:49 pm
by Noonie
evenslow wrote:
theplatypus wrote:You know what this song needs

A big ol' saxophone solo
If only Ed had heard the sirens coming down Baker Street.
Great now I have THAT stuck in my head.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 8:50 pm
by dimejinky99
Noonie wrote:
evenslow wrote:
theplatypus wrote:You know what this song needs

A big ol' saxophone solo
If only Ed had heard the sirens coming down Baker Street.
Great now I have THAT stuck in my head.

Platy was kidding but I think it might have worked.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 9:03 pm
by Release_Me
harmless wrote:He's flat a lot of the time. It's not hard to tell.
Really? Maybe I just have shitty laptop speakers but he sounded fine to me.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 9:06 pm
by harmless
Choruses, including the falsetto parts. I found myself already recoiling (I won't say "cringing", don't worry stip) at the high notes, wondering whether he'd make the falsetto parts. It's not the worst thing ever and overall I felt that this was a good live debut. Certainly miles better than the Wrigley performances.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 9:21 pm
by stip
harmless wrote:Choruses, including the falsetto parts. I found myself already recoiling (I won't say "cringing", don't worry stip) at the high notes, wondering whether he'd make the falsetto parts. It's not the worst thing ever and overall I felt that this was a good live debut. Certainly miles better than the Wrigley performances.
thank you. Recoiling is a better word.

Re: Sirens

Posted: Sun October 13, 2013 9:27 pm
by Mine
Release_Me wrote:
harmless wrote:He's flat a lot of the time. It's not hard to tell.
Really? Maybe I just have shitty laptop speakers but he sounded fine to me.
i didn't notice anything tragic either