Red Mosquito

Birds in Hell wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:A lot of great bands (think Rolling Stones) have descended into semi-lameness, but none of them can hold a candle to the rapid decline of Pearl Jam. I went from being 100% interested to 0% interested in just a few years. I used to defend them all the time during the No Code/Yield period, but now I'm embarrassed for people to know that I ever liked them.

It's astonishing. Their creative decline was so swift and comprehensive, it's as though they abandoned what made them a good band almost overnight.

Seeing them perform very poorly while drunk in 2009 has probably clouded my judgement (or improved it). It was like watching a band distintegrate live in person. I was certain they would be broken up within a year. I guess money talks.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:A lot of great bands (think Rolling Stones) have descended into semi-lameness, but none of them can hold a candle to the rapid decline of Pearl Jam. I went from being 100% interested to 0% interested in just a few years. I used to defend them all the time during the No Code/Yield period, but now I'm embarrassed for people to know that I ever liked them.

It's astonishing. Their creative decline was so swift and comprehensive, it's as though they abandoned what made them a good band almost overnight.

Seeing them perform very poorly while drunk in 2009 has probably clouded my judgement (or improved it). It was like watching a band distintegrate live in person. I was certain they would be broken up within a year. I guess money talks.

It seems like Ed and Stone have no musical chemistry. I wonder if old wounds make them more distant over time. The 4 non-Ed members of Pearl Jam obviously gel really well (see: Temple of the Dog reunion) and seem to be excited about playing music. Stone and Cornell had this great connection. With Ed I feel like he still cares a lot about music; and Stone does too - but you put them into a room together and Ed just stops giving a fuck. And Stone prob just tunes out also. Like, even though they patched things up enough over time for the band to continue on, they still don't actually like each other - or have a desire to get together to play with one another. You should want to play with your bandmates. I don't get that sense from them two.

Wow a lot of you are really jaded. lol Why follow a band you apparently hate so much now?

h2sublime wrote:Wow a lot of you are really jaded. lol Why follow a band you apparently hate so much now?

Opinions are fine to have, y'know. No harm in fair and reasoned discussion.

I don’t recall Turning Mist causing such an uproar. It probably did but you guys realize this is a holiday single right? What do you expect?

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:A lot of great bands (think Rolling Stones) have descended into semi-lameness, but none of them can hold a candle to the rapid decline of Pearl Jam. I went from being 100% interested to 0% interested in just a few years. I used to defend them all the time during the No Code/Yield period, but now I'm embarrassed for people to know that I ever liked them.

It's astonishing. Their creative decline was so swift and comprehensive, it's as though they abandoned what made them a good band almost overnight.

Seeing them perform very poorly while drunk in 2009 has probably clouded my judgement (or improved it). It was like watching a band distintegrate live in person. I was certain they would be broken up within a year. I guess money talks.

I remember watching the live webcast of the Lollapalooza 2007 show, considering the remote possibility of it being their last. It happened to be the final gig of the '07 tour, which felt like a victory lap of sorts after the massive 2006 run. They obviously continued on, but things have never been quite the same since.

h2sublime wrote:I don’t recall Turning Mist causing such an uproar. It probably did but you guys realize this is a holiday single right? What do you expect?

Strangest Tribe, Happy When I'm Crying, Last Soldier, Driftin'...

cutuphalfdead wrote:

h2sublime wrote:I don’t recall Turning Mist causing such an uproar. It probably did but you guys realize this is a holiday single right? What do you expect?

Strangest Tribe, Happy When I'm Crying, Last Soldier, Driftin'...

Don’t forget Sonic Reducer. There have been a handful of great songs on the holiday singles but usually they are just OK for the most part imo.

I'm still not convinced this isn't a new proper single, which 10C simply got early access to, given the way they promoted it via FB, Twitter, etc - something I don't recall them ever doing for a 10C-only release.

Hopefully it is just a holiday single but from sessions for the new record that Jeff was talking about. At least they were in the studio.

Birds in Hell wrote:I'm still not convinced this isn't a new proper single, which 10C simply got early access to, given the way they promoted it via FB, Twitter, etc - something I don't recall them ever doing for a 10C-only release.

I think they're trying to have it both ways. This is intended to be a single, but released it early to the fanclub and called that release the holiday annual single.

It wouldn't be the first fan club single to later be properly, commercially released.

h2sublime wrote:I don’t recall Turning Mist causing such an uproar.

That's just a crappy McCready solo song. And that's pretty much how it was perceived. I can't remember a single person going ga-ga for it.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I'm still not convinced this isn't a new proper single, which 10C simply got early access to, given the way they promoted it via FB, Twitter, etc - something I don't recall them ever doing for a 10C-only release.

I think they're trying to have it both ways. This is intended to be a single, but released it early to the fanclub and called that release the holiday annual single.

It wouldn't be the first fan club single to later be properly, commercially released.

Yeah.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

h2sublime wrote:I don’t recall Turning Mist causing such an uproar.

That's just a crappy McCready solo song. And that's pretty much how it was perceived. I can't remember a single person going ga-ga for it.

Yeah I will agree on that.

Interesting that Ed was the focal point of the band in the beginning, and now he's like dead weight, dragging them into mediocrity at every turn.

Ed is inarguably the problem with modern Pearl Jam.

Like I said, an Ed-less album is the only thing they could do that would get me excited again.

Blah blah blah

h2sublime wrote:lol Why follow a band you apparently hate so much now?

I feel like they're following ME!

This band with Chris Cornell in front (TOTD) was hot fire. You could hear how tight they were.

Ed's solo tour in Europe last year sounded great.

But yet something un-magical happens when he joins the other 4 guys to record.