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96583UP wrote:nice interview

love Dave

interesting to hear the full story about Glorified G

and also interesting to hear how PJ management fked him for money

not surprising

gotta pay for all those collectible cars somehow

Think you missed the part where he mentioned his own management screwing him.

And how he has little ill will to the actual band much anymore

its a good read yeah. I like the bit about GNR and Glorified G.

Kinda feels Dave A is a dude who really cant own his mistakes, even if the band was a very tense driven group of guys in 93-94.

Imagine getting fired and still going on about it and complaining about it nearly 30 years later.

He might have a new and better role if he wasn’t pissing and moaning about that one job all this time.

I bet they all didn't like him, and Stone (who still wanted to look/feel like the leader of the band) volunteered to deliver the news, but then at brunch he got nervous and blamed it on Eddie so he could still stay and finish his eggs. Eddie's been mad ever since he heard Stone blamed it all on him.

dimejinky99 wrote:Imagine getting fired and still going on about it and complaining about it nearly 30 years later.

He might have a new and better role if he wasn’t pissing and moaning about that one job all this time.

Can you sympathise with his situation a little bit?

It's more than just losing one job. Attaining a career as a professional musician on that level of success is something that happens to a tiny handful of people and requires a combination of genuine talent with an immense dose of good luck (right place, right time, right band, etc.)

That career was taken away almost as quickly as it began in a way he didn't expect (and arguably didn't deserve) and he was right back to square one, no doubt suspecting he would never have a pathway to that level of professional success again.

I don't think everyone can dust themselves off from that and move on, at least not very easily.

That interview is really measured and mature. I can't really fault him at all. He clarified Glorified G's origins in a clear and sensible way, especially since the story of it has become such a vital part of bandlore.

Seems he got on with pretty much everyone except Jeff, Eddie and Kelly. These things happen. Personalities clash.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Strat wrote:another good interview with Dave A

https://www.songfacts.com/blog/intervie ... ic3zO97an4

This really pisses me off:

songfacts:Are you still in touch with any of your former Pearl Jam band mates?

Abbruzzese: It’s strange. I’m actually in contact with Dave Krusen, Jack Irons, and Matt Cameron, but I haven’t spoken to or heard from any of the other band members since I got fired. Not one thing.

Which part pisses you off?

Kinda strange Matt and Jack are in contact with him.

Birds in Hell wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Imagine getting fired and still going on about it and complaining about it nearly 30 years later.

He might have a new and better role if he wasn’t pissing and moaning about that one job all this time.

Can you sympathise with his situation a little bit?

It's more than just losing one job. Attaining a career as a professional musician on that level of success is something that happens to a tiny handful of people and requires a combination of genuine talent with an immense dose of good luck (right place, right time, right band, etc.)

That career was taken away almost as quickly as it began in a way he didn't expect (and arguably didn't deserve) and he was right back to square one, no doubt suspecting he would never have a pathway to that level of professional success again.

I don't think everyone can dust themselves off from that and move on, at least not very easily.

Oh I certainly can in terms of what happened and how completely awful it was done and managed. Fucking cruel. He was treated piss poorly and deserved better. And they should be ashamed of themselves for it.

But he’s kinda made a career of it and about it. And I don’t see the point or benefit of that for him personally. But see we are. Too late to drop it now.

wease wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Strat wrote:another good interview with Dave A

https://www.songfacts.com/blog/intervie ... ic3zO97an4

This really pisses me off:

songfacts:Are you still in touch with any of your former Pearl Jam band mates?

Abbruzzese: It’s strange. I’m actually in contact with Dave Krusen, Jack Irons, and Matt Cameron, but I haven’t spoken to or heard from any of the other band members since I got fired. Not one thing.

Which part pisses you off?

Kinda strange Matt and Jack are in contact with him.

that stone, jeff, or even nice guy mike has never bothered to reach out to him. i don't know. they built a something together on which they based their success, and undeniably with the help of abbruzzese, you fire the guy, and never once bother to reach out. just on a human level it's pretty shitty.

i can understand ed though. he sucks.

by the way, this sounds completely made up and embellished to shine a better light on him:

Abbruzzese: Doug Smith [David probably means Doug Goldstein], the Guns' manager at the time, told me that the management and the label had a plan of letting the album we were making be the catalyst for getting Axl to reunite with Slash. The plan was to let him fail and the hope was that this failure would inspire him to reunite with Slash and get the big train back on the tracks. When I heard this I was forced to choose between informing Axl about it or just bowing out. I felt that if I told him of their plan it would destroy what little faith he had in the machine.

So I opted to take one on the chin and sacrifice my new friendship for the sake of Axl's ability to continue to be a creative force. It was a difficult decision but ultimately one that I am glad I made. I love that guy and I didn't want to be responsible for ruining the chance of him and the band continuing to make music for their fans that had waited so patiently for so long for G n' R to get back to it.

wease wrote:Kinda strange Matt and Jack are in contact with him.

Maybe it's a support group

Or like former Presidents.

i need to give immortality drums a closer listen now

sounds like he really worked hard on that one

i already think very highly of that song

just never considered it a ‘drum song’

Dave is awesome on Immortality yes

Strat wrote:

96583UP wrote:nice interview

love Dave

interesting to hear the full story about Glorified G

and also interesting to hear how PJ management fked him for money

not surprising

gotta pay for all those collectible cars somehow

Think you missed the part where he mentioned his own management screwing him.

And how he has little ill will to the actual band much anymore

he’ll never be able to look at an omelette the same way again

Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, this sounds completely made up and embellished to shine a better light on him:

Abbruzzese: Doug Smith [David probably means Doug Goldstein], the Guns' manager at the time, told me that the management and the label had a plan of letting the album we were making be the catalyst for getting Axl to reunite with Slash. The plan was to let him fail and the hope was that this failure would inspire him to reunite with Slash and get the big train back on the tracks. When I heard this I was forced to choose between informing Axl about it or just bowing out. I felt that if I told him of their plan it would destroy what little faith he had in the machine.

So I opted to take one on the chin and sacrifice my new friendship for the sake of Axl's ability to continue to be a creative force. It was a difficult decision but ultimately one that I am glad I made. I love that guy and I didn't want to be responsible for ruining the chance of him and the band continuing to make music for their fans that had waited so patiently for so long for G n' R to get back to it.

yeah, the whole Gnr situation is very weird, and it seems if that was the intention back then it backfired because they did the reunion in 2016.

Thats a thing i dont quite get, Dave A could have been at least a very cool sessionist, someone like Brain for example or even Matt Chamberlain.

VinylGuy wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, this sounds completely made up and embellished to shine a better light on him:

Abbruzzese: Doug Smith [David probably means Doug Goldstein], the Guns' manager at the time, told me that the management and the label had a plan of letting the album we were making be the catalyst for getting Axl to reunite with Slash. The plan was to let him fail and the hope was that this failure would inspire him to reunite with Slash and get the big train back on the tracks. When I heard this I was forced to choose between informing Axl about it or just bowing out. I felt that if I told him of their plan it would destroy what little faith he had in the machine.

So I opted to take one on the chin and sacrifice my new friendship for the sake of Axl's ability to continue to be a creative force. It was a difficult decision but ultimately one that I am glad I made. I love that guy and I didn't want to be responsible for ruining the chance of him and the band continuing to make music for their fans that had waited so patiently for so long for G n' R to get back to it.

yeah, the whole Gnr situation is very weird, and it seems if that was the intention back then it backfired because they did the reunion in 2016.

Thats a thing i dont quite get, Dave A could have been at least a very cool sessionist, someone like Brain for example or even Matt Chamberlain.

He sounds like a problem... that's it, that's the end of the story.

a bit ironic though that Ed purged him bc Dave was too corporate/conformist and now Ed is the one palling around with billionaires doing private corporate gigs

96583UP wrote:a bit ironic though that Ed purged him bc Dave was too corporate/conformist and now Ed is the one palling around with billionaires doing private corporate gigs

Yep