Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:US with the Biggest military budget in the entire world. Multiples of all others combined. Yet this again. No security again? These lads aren’t helping anyone by doing this. Well intentioned as it is.

Ehh, there were some arrests, but lefty protesters tend to go to trainings on where the line is and not to cross it. Doubt any of these folks are going to catch "parading" charges with federal time, even if the DC prosecutors were hostile to their cause (they are at worst indifferent).

Most of the time at events like this, they coordinate ahead of time about who will be arrested for the cameras, then immediately released at the station. Dunno about that guy that went to the ground, perhaps he skipped the training meeting.

Or there wasn’t a training meeting.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:While the hospital bombing is horrible, one thing not being talked about is the over 6500 missiles that have been shot into Israel the past ten days. 90% stopped by the iron dome, but if not for that defense I’m pretty sure not all of those 6500 rockets were heading to military only targets

Clearly without the blockade Hamas would have equipped their rockets with top of the line gps guidance and would be very careful to only target military installations.

Also lost in the hospital discussion, some haven't updated their knowledge since Qassam rockets were new. They were small and had a very limited range to the neighboring communities outside of Gaza. Now they have 2nd order knockoffs of Chinese rockets of 300mm* or more diameter and 200 lb warheads that can reach most of Israel.

*For reference, GMLRS 227mm, ATACMs, 610mm

spike wrote:Or there wasn’t a training meeting.

They've been around since 1996, I rather doubt it.

Bi_3 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:While the hospital bombing is horrible, one thing not being talked about is the over 6500 missiles that have been shot into Israel the past ten days. 90% stopped by the iron dome, but if not for that defense I’m pretty sure not all of those 6500 rockets were heading to military only targets

And of those that made it through, they don’t as much as dent a car

But this magic one managed to kill hundreds of people and destroy a hospital.

Isn’t that strange.


Ps Israelis missiles have destroyed 80,000 homes in Palestine in the last 7 days. And counting


Sorry. Hamas hideouts. They blew up 80,000 Hamas hideouts.



The way you guys are totally unable to even contemplate the fact you’re looking through the wrong end of the telescope is just mental.

I see you are sticking with the destroyed hospital bit as well.

And this
The UN is saying half of Gazans have been made homeless.

This combined with water, fuel, food and electricity being cut off is a recipe for mass death via exposure.

This is genocide.

Although at some point this current conflict will probably end, it is very difficult to see long term solutions that all parts will accept, that will put an end to the trouble.

A two state solution seemed the most likely a long time. Israel has done more to ruin that than the Palestinians.

Maybe a one state solution, with Hamas outlawed is the way forward. Every law abiding citizen able to live in peace. The Jews must be guaranteed an important place in the government of the state, since there is a high likelihood, that Muslims will outnumber them in the long run. Current homes and land ownership must be accepted by all. A united army and police force.

In the short term, I think this is still far from over. Hamas is still in power in Gaza, still holding hostages. A ground invasion is probably the only thing that can change that.

Anders wrote:Although at some point this current conflict will probably end, it is very difficult to see long term solutions that all parts will accept, that will put an end to the trouble.

A two state solution seemed the most likely a long time. Israel has done more to ruin that than the Palestinians.

Maybe a one state solution, with Hamas outlawed is the way forward. Every law abiding citizen able to live in peace. The Jews must be guaranteed an important place in the government of the state, since there is a high likelihood, that Muslims will outnumber them in the long run. Current homes and land ownership must be accepted by all. A united army and police force.

In the short term, I think this is still far from over. Hamas is still in power in Gaza, still holding hostages. A ground invasion is probably the only thing that can change that.

I’ve posted clips in this thread over years and years showing ordinary Palestinians being thrown out of their houses or watching their farms and olive groves burned by IDF and as official Israeli policy. Removed so the property can be taken over by Jewish settlers. Who are usually American as it happens.
They will not be happy until they have eradicated all Palestinians completely.
It’s really that simple.
As with Putin, he wants Ukraine. But he wants it completely without any Ukrainians in it.

But somehow what he’s doing is an evil and Israel is just fine to get on doing exactly the same thing.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Anders wrote:Although at some point this current conflict will probably end, it is very difficult to see long term solutions that all parts will accept, that will put an end to the trouble.

A two state solution seemed the most likely a long time. Israel has done more to ruin that than the Palestinians.

Maybe a one state solution, with Hamas outlawed is the way forward. Every law abiding citizen able to live in peace. The Jews must be guaranteed an important place in the government of the state, since there is a high likelihood, that Muslims will outnumber them in the long run. Current homes and land ownership must be accepted by all. A united army and police force.

In the short term, I think this is still far from over. Hamas is still in power in Gaza, still holding hostages. A ground invasion is probably the only thing that can change that.

I’ve posted clips in this thread over years and years showing ordinary Palestinians being thrown out of their houses or watching their farms and olive groves burned by IDF and as official Israeli policy. Removed so the property can be taken over by Jewish settlers. Who are usually American as it happens.
They will not be happy until they have eradicated all Palestinians completely.
It’s really that simple.
As with Putin, he wants Ukraine. But he wants it completely without any Ukrainians in it.

But somehow what he’s doing is an evil and Israel is just fine to get on doing exactly the same thing.

My ideal solution for Ukraine is for Russia to get out of Ukrainian land, possibly after Putin dies. Russia have guaranteed for the Ukrainian borders in historical deals, and then suddenly invaded the country last year. Even pro-Russians can only come up with stuff like the expansion of NATO to other countries as a good reason.

I don’t know what your ideal solution to the war in Ukraine is, although likely the same as mine. If we do get a peace deal with Putin in charge, Ukraine will probably have to give up a lot of land. Then a few years down the line, Russia will find another reason, and invade more land. This has also displaced millions of people, half a million Ukrainians reported dead, hundreds (possibly thousands) of women have been raped. It’s a massive tragedy, and no wonder it has dominated the news the last two years. Sadly it is far from over.

The two conflicts are horrible, but also very different.

Israel and Palestine is an old conflict, but we can not disregard what the UN decided, and the situation on the ground after the five day war.

If you think of an ideal solution, I assume you want a lot more for the Palestinians than what is likely, no matter who is in charge of Israel.

If you think of a negotiated settlement to end the conflict for good, then what is your solution?

UNICEF are looking for donations. Specifically to help the kids in Palestine.
Dig into your pockets yis cunts. You can donate here

https://fb.watch/nMPXnZYS0r/

* over 1000 children have been killed by Israeli bombs, just this week.

do not negotiate with terrorists

X (formerly known as Twitter) and it's fact checking community notes are working overtime with the steady stream of bullshit coming from both sides the last few days.

What a stupid name for a social network. There, I said it.

Can we change the tag to [post (formerly known as Tweet)][/post (formerly known as Tweet)]?

tree_ wrote:do not negotiate with terrorists

What is your solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict?

Anders wrote:

tree_ wrote:do not negotiate with terrorists

What is your solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict?

snuff out the terrorists, put in place a set of laws all remaining decent people can agree to abide

tree_ wrote:

Anders wrote:

tree_ wrote:do not negotiate with terrorists

What is your solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict?

snuff out the terrorists, put in place a set of laws all remaining decent people can agree to abide

One state or two? If one state, will there be free movement for all? What will the country be called? Who governs it?

Anders wrote:

tree_ wrote:do not negotiate with terrorists

What is your solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict?

Gaza goes to Israel, Israel retreats from all settlements in "Area C" and that becomes the Palestinian state. Jerusalem is shared under Israeli security.

Bi_3 wrote:

Anders wrote:

tree_ wrote:do not negotiate with terrorists

What is your solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict?

Gaza goes to Israel, Israel retreats from all settlements in "Area C" and that becomes the Palestinian state. Jerusalem is shared under Israeli security.

But dont Palestinians believe its their right to some holy land in Israel?

Does this Palestinian state have any resources with which to survive on? Outside of tourism and foreign aid I don't know how anyone in Israel survives on their own (besides recently discovered oil reserves offshore. Will a state of Palestine have access to any of that?)