Page 15 of 371

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Mon February 11, 2013 10:37 pm
by evenslow
digster wrote:Also, I think a lot of critics don't view PJ's catalog in the same way we do. Specifically, I think that a lot of critics feel that the only great album they made was their first, so they always want them to go back to that. That feeling, along with the political slant of the record, was really how S/T was marketed. It was the first time the band was also saying it was kind of a return to how it used to be.
It's all about context with S/T. Before that, your Rolling Stone type music critic and general Rolling Stone reader looks at PJ's recent output and in a broad sense sees...

No Code: weird
Yield: return to form
Binaural: weird
Riot Act: weird

That's 3 out of 4 albums w/o much to latch onto if you're interested in what made Pearl Jam famous in the first place, i.e., Ten, Vs., Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Daughter, etc. So the fact that S/T was marketed as (and pretty much was) a straight-forward rock record, made a lot of writers herald the return of the Pearl Jam they thought they were getting.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 3:54 am
by Rat
evenslow wrote:
digster wrote:Also, I think a lot of critics don't view PJ's catalog in the same way we do. Specifically, I think that a lot of critics feel that the only great album they made was their first, so they always want them to go back to that. That feeling, along with the political slant of the record, was really how S/T was marketed. It was the first time the band was also saying it was kind of a return to how it used to be.
It's all about context with S/T. Before that, your Rolling Stone type music critic and general Rolling Stone reader looks at PJ's recent output and in a broad sense sees...

No Code: weird
Yield: return to form
Binaural: weird
Riot Act: weird

That's 3 out of 4 albums w/o much to latch onto if you're interested in what made Pearl Jam famous in the first place, i.e., Ten, Vs., Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Daughter, etc. So the fact that S/T was marketed as (and pretty much was) a straight-forward rock record, made a lot of writers herald the return of the Pearl Jam they thought they were getting.
I agree.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 4:53 am
by stip
a review/blog post by some DJ from just before the S/T that I saved that i always really liked and I think speaks to some of this. I wish I recalled who wrote it. But I can't be troubled to google it.

Also, regarding metacritic--I agree that the sample size of anything prior to Riot Act is too small to be valid.

Also, Vitalogy is the other album besides Ten that shows up regularly on 'best of the decade/best of all time lists'. Not to the same degree, but it is there.

3/7/06

So I just played this new Pearl Jam song, about 20 minutes ago... "Worldwide Suicide"... And I asked for some feedback... It was split about 50/50, and I think that's roughly the same ratio of people who still care about Pearl Jam to those who don't...

...and I think that ratio is probably broken down along age-lines... Which would make sense, I guess... If you're between the ages of 18-24, that means you were between 3-9 years old when Ten came out... Most of your experience of Pearl Jam begins and ends with the 5 or so songs of theirs you've been hearing again and again and again on the radio your whole short life... And that small bunch of songs are all more than 10 years old... This band hasn't done much for you since you've been old enough to be a part of youth culture...

Then there's those of you that are at least in your late 20s... And even if you aren't particularly a devoted fan of Pearl Jam, you remember what that band meant when they came out... Pearl Jam essentially was the new U2... Once Bono became more interested in making songs that sounded claustrophobic, who was left to make the big, sweeping, sincere, meaningful, grand-gesture rock music that could fill arenas??... REM just wasn't that band, however many records and concert tickets they sold... Nirvana didn't want to be that band, obviously... But along comes Eddie Vedder, and not only did Pearl Jam make U2 songs for the 90s, they made no-nonsense U2 songs... There wasn't anything precious or arty about it... In a word, it ROCKED... And when you looked at the garbage that was ruling the rock world at the time (read: Guns N Roses), Pearl Jam was a relief... A big relief...

It had been a long, long, long time since a band like Pearl Jam had broken through... The Who, to be precise... Big songs, big chords, a singer with a voice that sounded like it was coming down from Mt. Olympus... And most importantly, that mix of power, vulnerability, and thoughtfulness... And while Nirvana offered destruction, Pearl Jam offered release, and then hope...



You could make the argument that for a band of their size and following, Pearl Jam has more integrity than any other band... Who else willfully abandoned MTV??... Who else went to Capitol Hill to fight Ticketmaster??... Who else released over 50 live albums??... Who else has the kind of fanclub that Pearl Jam maintains online?

So the question is this... Why do people still care about this band?? Why is it still a big deal when they release a new song?? Surely, it can't be just because of those same 5 songs you hear on every rock station around the country... If that were the case, Pearl Jam would be like Live, or Bush... But, regardless of the fact that they haven't really sounded like the Pearl Jam of Ten and Vs., people continue to love this band... This band still inspires...



There was a time in the mid-90s, around the time No Code came out, when a lot of folks thought Pearl Jam was taking things too far... People thought they were being too uncompromising... Understand: Pearl Jam could've gone on to rule the Alt-Rock landscape, unopposed, for as long as they wanted... They could've stuck to a formula, and milked it forever... They didn't, and no TRULY great band has done what they refused to do...

Think of it this way, even though it's a complete hypothetical what-if... Take the biggest, most enduring classic rock bands from the pre-MTV era... Take Zeppelin... Take The Who, take Floyd, take Queen, you could even take Rush... What do you think those bands would've done in the face of the marketing machinery and hype-demand that Pearl Jam encountered??... Each of those bands released albums in the mid-late periods of their careers that aren't considered their best, kinda considered past their peak... In the mid-90s, those bands would've been written off, they would've been shoved aside for the next musical fad, they would've been called disappointments... And NONE of those bands relied on MTV to get the word out... Or MySpace for that matter...

What I'm trying to say is that in another era, the things Pearl Jam has been faulted for wouldn't have amounted to nearly the condemnation and impatience with which they've been met... Their body of work from Ten to Yield is absolutely stunning, and it's actually much more consistent than people realize... Never before has there been a band that's been so mercilessly chained to its early work... Almost EVERY great band progresses and evolves in its sound, trying out new styles and presentations... But once Pearl Jam tried this, the backlash was on, and it hasn't really ended...



The real irony is this: Pearl Jam has actually become more and more Alternative the longer they're around... I always thought it was a terrible error in judgment that radio programmers in the late 90s didn't stick with Pearl Jam as much as they leaned on Creed, Matchbox 20, and Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray... Big mistake... And not taking Pearl Jam up on the musical challenges they offered was the equivalent of turning your back on Alternative, and Rock, and embracing some kind of Top 40 mentality where every fad and trend and next-big-thing was ingested and shat out within 12-18 months... The other prime victim of this was The Smashing Pumpkins, and Billy just got too discouraged and gave up...



But here's Pearl Jam, with a new record label, and a new album... I'm what you'd call a casual fan of PJ... I've got a few albums, and I know a majority of the material on most of their CDs... So I'm probably not the best judge of this new single, not as good as a diehard... Is it a return to Vs.?... I wouldn't go that far... A return to Yield, yes... With Binaural and Riot Act, I had the feeling that they were dropping messages from the top of a walled tower... There was something distant and closed off about most of those songs, with only a few breaks... The best Pearl Jam songs give you a sense of motion, a sense of openness, a sense of space, and there's purpose, forward-motion... I definitely get that feeling from this song, and that's a feeling I haven't had from most of their music since the 90s... So in that respect, this seems like it could be a "return to form"...

Either way, I always welcome new Pearl Jam material... It's an event... Everyone is always going to be curious about new Pearl Jam, however many albums removed from Ten and Vs. they get... And that's because everyone still recognizes that Pearl Jam's the real deal, that they're not manufactured... That they're not pandering to ANYONE, that they're still as powerful as they ever were, if not as popular... The simple fact that they haven't conformed makes them mightier every time they stay true to themselves...

Do people feel that way about the Chili Peppers or the Foo Fighters?? No, they do not... Both those bands have mastered writing catchy radio-friendly songs, and have done so without diluting their artistic visions... But you don't need me to tell you that THEY AIN'T PEARL JAM... The communal aspect isn't there, the connection... As strange and stubborn as it is, there's a real spiritual element to Pearl Jam, an earthy kind of spirituality...

I can't tell you that RHCP or the Foo Fighters aren't emotional, that they don't produce transcendant, beautiful music... They do... But Pearl Jam stands for something... They represent something... They're iconic and mythic in a way very few bands are... And I'm confident that I'm not exaggerating, because without that quality they wouldn't have lasted THIS LONG, in THIS culture...

Pearl Jam have outlasted numerous trends and fashions... What they're doing isn't a fashion statement... They're not trying to impress with their cleverness or their ironic sensibilities... None of the great artists do that shit, none of the lasting artists...

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 5:14 am
by Rat
I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 8:09 am
by Heathen
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.
I also love when someone who's a fan of one particular band thinks the other bands and their other fans just don't have the same kind of connection. Theirs is special.

As for playing the game, they tried, it gave us The Fixer :?

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 8:42 am
by dimejinky99
STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 12:00 pm
by stip
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.

quality and popular are not the same thing.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 12:03 pm
by stip
Heathen wrote:
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.
I also love when someone who's a fan of one particular band thinks the other bands and their other fans just don't have the same kind of connection. Theirs is special.

As for playing the game, they tried, it gave us The Fixer :?
which was fairly successful, although hardly a run away smash. Their first singles usually do pretty good. I think fixer hung around for longer than WWS, but I'm not sure.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 12:07 pm
by Angus
dimejinky99 wrote:STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553
So they must be around halfway through.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 12:11 pm
by WtOB?
stip wrote:
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.
quality and popular are not the same thing.
Thank you, Stip. :thumbsup:

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by Heathen
stip wrote:
Heathen wrote:
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.
I also love when someone who's a fan of one particular band thinks the other bands and their other fans just don't have the same kind of connection. Theirs is special.

As for playing the game, they tried, it gave us The Fixer :?
which was fairly successful
stip wrote:quality and popular are not the same thing.
:)

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 2:37 pm
by harmless
dimejinky99 wrote:STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553
Riot Act was 2002...

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 2:47 pm
by Blenheim Augustine
Rat wrote:I always loved how pearl jam fans think that PJ could of written popular rock songs at ease only if they wanted to. (If they played the game) That is hilarious to me. If you don't think they have tried to put out the most quality music that they could possibly provide you're living in a dream world.
I think there is a good amount of evidence that they consciously controlled their level of stardom and commercial output. That's not the same as writing popular rock songs but I expect they could have written very different records to Vitalogy and No Code if they wanted more commercial success (particularly if they had let Stone continue to write most of the songs) - so I agree with most of what that guy said (apart from the stuff about transcendent-al consequence). By No Code the mainstream shifted away from rock anyway as I seem to remember and I don't think that Pearl Jam could have prevented that.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 3:48 pm
by evenslow
Interesting post above stip.
With Binaural and Riot Act, I had the feeling that they were dropping messages from the top of a walled tower...
this is well said. and pretty dead-on about where the band was then. both those records have a claustrophobic feel that gains with time. but when both originally came out, most of my friends who were your average rock fans didn't get it and didn't want to.

to be clear, that's where the comparison starts and ends though - binaural is a much better record.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 3:50 pm
by Monkey_Driven
harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553
Riot Act was 2002...
You know it's 2013 now, right?

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 3:59 pm
by Strat
dimejinky99 wrote:STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553

So does this mean fall tour is before a new album? Sweet!!

:\

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Tue February 12, 2013 9:03 pm
by epilogue
Good. I like winter albums.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Wed February 13, 2013 12:03 am
by harmless
Monkey_Driven wrote:
harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:STONE GOSSARD REVEALS WHEN PEARL JAM PLAN TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM
BY: BRETT BUCHANAN 12 FEBRUARY 2013 ONE COMMENT


Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard did an interview on Italian radio yesterday and revealed the following about Pearl Jam’s 10th studio album, “I cannot tell you an exact date, but if all goes according to plan, we will have a new Pearl Jam album in nine or twelve months.” We are currently in February 2013, so Gossard seems to be indicating a November 2013- February 2014 release for the new album. Pearl Jam have only released two albums in the last decade: 2006′s Pearl Jam and 2009′s Backspacer.

http://grungereport.net/?p=21553
Riot Act was 2002...
You know it's 2013 now, right?
Well, sure, but 'last decade' could be interpreted a couple of ways. The last decade in my mind was the noughties; the next decade has just started. Even interpreted the other way, we're only a year out.

Anyway, I don't care, I was just checking the forum for Sigur Ros news.

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Wed February 13, 2013 12:33 am
by dimejinky99
Sigur ros have just added their own scented candle to their merch store. Dont ever let me hear you rippin on pj ever again :)

Re: 10th album rumors and speculation

Posted: Wed February 13, 2013 12:33 am
by numbers
durdencommatyler wrote:Good. I like winter albums.
their last good album was a a winter album.

edit: I shouldnt say that, I do like Avocado, it just aint no Riot Act.