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I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well. This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well. This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

"Atmosphere" isn't something so neatly compartmentalized; it's not limited to (extremely well-executed) songs like Of The Girl or Cold Confession or Sleight of Hand. Some of the more propulsive songs in their catalog create their own unique sonic space and atmosphere (Go, Faithful, Rival, Tremor Christ, Help Help). Distinctly evocative and atmospheric pieces used to characterize their work.

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Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well. This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

"Atmosphere" isn't something so neatly compartmentalized; it's not limited to (extremely well-executed) songs like Of The Girl or Cold Confession or Sleight of Hand. Some of the more propulsive songs in their catalog create their own unique sonic space and atmosphere (Go, Faithful, Rival, Tremor Christ, Help Help). Distinctly evocative and atmospheric pieces used to characterize their work.

binaural seemed like a concerted effort to capture and create atmosphere. but i agree with your larger point that it's more often the result of the song not the starting point (insert that latin phrasing you used in another post).

harmless wrote:It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Wash, oceans, off he goes, indifference, tremor christ, help help, you are, w.m.a, wishlist, sometimes, dead man, faithful, no way, strangest tribe, otherside, push me pull me, i'm open, most of binaural..........

When i say atmosphere, i mean atmosphere for pearl jam, im not expecting them to sound like NIN for an album.

Or what those guys said.

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Wash, oceans, off he goes, indifference, tremor christ, help help, you are, w.m.a, wishlist, sometimes, dead man, faithful, no way, strangest tribe, otherside, push me pull me, i'm open, most of binaural..........

When i say atmosphere, i mean atmosphere for pearl jam, im not expecting them to sound like NIN for an album

It seems strange that you'd pull out a band that specialises in 'Atmosphere' with a capital 'A' just to argue that PJ has no atmosphere. For any band you could name, there's another one that specialises in more deliberate atmosphere. NIN would easily be trumped by Sigur Ros in this regard, but that doesn't make NIN devoid of atmosphere.

i would say that most of their output has a very distinct atmosphere. NIN is a different beast, for sure.

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

If nothing is everything I'll have it all.

harmless wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

If nothing is everything I'll have it all.

he's gotcha there, jambi.

Thejambi wrote:The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam

Space is not Matt's strength. Also they just play it too fast now.
Dave A version of Hard To Imagine


Matt C version

surfndestroy wrote:

Thejambi wrote:The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam

Space is not Matt's strength. Also they just play it too fast now.
Dave A version of Hard To Imagine


Matt C version

Matt was suitably spacey in Binaural, Riot Act and whatever he played on Lost Dogs. I have no idea what happened after that.

harmless wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Thejambi wrote:The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam

Space is not Matt's strength. Also they just play it too fast now.
Dave A version of Hard To Imagine


Matt C version

Matt was suitably spacey in Binaural, Riot Act and whatever he played on Lost Dogs. I have no idea what happened after that.

the fixer got him.

elliseamos wrote:

harmless wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Thejambi wrote:The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam

Space is not Matt's strength. Also they just play it too fast now.
Dave A version of Hard To Imagine


Matt C version

Matt was suitably spacey in Binaural, Riot Act and whatever he played on Lost Dogs. I have no idea what happened after that.

the fixer got him.

Aw-huh.

elliseamos wrote:

harmless wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

If nothing is everything I'll have it all.

he's gotcha there, jambi.

You think you've got me
You think you've won
You cannot give me the slip
From a song on permaskip

Matt ´s work in Binaural is amazing. He owns that album.

--- wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well. This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

"Atmosphere" isn't something so neatly compartmentalized; it's not limited to (extremely well-executed) songs like Of The Girl or Cold Confession or Sleight of Hand. Some of the more propulsive songs in their catalog create their own unique sonic space and atmosphere (Go, Faithful, Rival, Tremor Christ, Help Help). Distinctly evocative and atmospheric pieces used to characterize their work.

Force of nature, the fixer, and just breathe (not the chorus) are all very atmospheric songs in that regard.

Thejambi wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

harmless wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I can't think of too many examples where this band has done atmosphere very well.

I can. Everything pre-S/T. It all depends on what you mean by atmosphere.

Tuolumne wrote:This isn't NIN Grizzly Bear or anything. I've seen this band as a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety and less of the chin stroking kind.

Some of the fans are "a part of the sweaty beer chugging variety", but I don't think you can reduce PJ down to that. You must know that most of their mid-career stuff is more intelligent. Oh yeah, and forget NIN. They haven't been atmospheric since... I don't know when. It's all shtick now.

I think pearl jam was very successful with atmospheric songs
Atmospheric is when the music sucks you in to a place where you belong
With brick walking and an increase in urgency
The space for us to enter and breathe has been purged for me
Immoratalities, present tenses, slight of hands an nothing as it seems
Since 2003 we have yearned to see
A band that had once opened the space for us to roam
Has replaced that china with styrofoam
Take these recent leaks to help you believe
It's not about there completeness or quality
But the sound oh the sound
That's the place they need to be.


NIN is another thread
But I disagree about the shtick
NIN back from the dead
Trent Reznors craft always does the trick

If nothing is everything I'll have it all.

he's gotcha there, jambi.

You think you've got me
You think you've won
You cannot give me the slip
From a song on permaskip

ball's in your court, harmless.

I think Backspacer does contain atmosphere but it seems more by-the-numbers and contrived atmosphere than it used to.