Red Mosquito

Probably Adam

stip wrote:Basically some people are mad/frustrated/disappointed that pearl jam has not made the record they want them to make, and are mistaking this for a failure rather than a choice.

This is, of course, a perfectly good reason to not like what they've done.

I've never understood how that differentiation could be made.

"These are great songs! It's a shame they're not in my very specific type of rock style, or else I wouldn't have to dislike them!"

PJ has never gone too far off the beaten path of their style. I don't really see any of their albums being so bizarre to their fanbase (or at least a fanbase like this one, very knowledgeable about their music) that they'd be unwilling to judge it on the merits. Basically, in other words, I don't think anyone dislikes Backspacer because it's not their style. I think they dislike Backspacer cause they feel it's crappy.

digster wrote:PJ has never gone too far off the beaten path of their style. I don't really see any of their albums being so bizarre to their fanbase that they'd be unwilling to judge it on the merits.

I agree with you, but I've come to realize a lot of people feel quite the opposite and think they've covered vast stylistic ground.

To this day I still think Ten is the album that most sticks out as being stylistically different from the rest.

I could care less if I ever hear sleight of hand or sometimes again, but I think they're good songs. I can appreciate what they are trying to do, but it doesn't appeal to me.

I agree these may be real nuanced distinctions in this case, but shit, this forum is nothing but thousands of posts about 140 songs

here's the problem:



and



affect different people in different ways. In Ed's case, it made him turn into a giant:



and the intense emotion that had been lifting the music into overachieving places that it would not have otherwise gone has evaporated, and what's left, when coupled with their always relatively limited professional musical tool kit, sounds like an ass after 164 slices of american cheese

Lament wrote:

digster wrote:PJ has never gone too far off the beaten path of their style. I don't really see any of their albums being so bizarre to their fanbase that they'd be unwilling to judge it on the merits.

I agree with you, but I've come to realize a lot of people feel quite the opposite and think they've covered vast stylistic ground.

To this day I still think Ten is the album that most sticks out as being stylistically different from the rest.

I think they've definitely made transitions, but as to stip's point, I can't see someone who loves Riot Act listening to it, and then putting on S/T and having it be so far from the band they just listened to that they can't even see the songs for what they are.

stip wrote:I could care less if I ever hear sleight of hand or sometimes again, but I think they're good songs. I can appreciate what they are trying to do, but it doesn't appeal to me.

I agree these may be real nuanced distinctions in this case, but shit, this forum is nothing but thousands of posts about 140 songs

You know you have to hear Sometimes in order to really 'get' hail hail right?

Iholdthepain wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:Keep up...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word

I believe you may have missed the humour boat on this trip. Hang around the port, enjoy the view, have a burrito, and another boat will come by soon.

Friends taking up for friends... That's sweet. I saw it more as passive/aggressive sarcasm than humor... I have no friends here to take up for me, so I do it myself... Even my 'teammate' won't come to my defense... Thanks a lot, Dev!

None of us are friends here, we all secretly despise each other. Once you get a grasp on that, you'll fit right in. Also, Spenno's a twat sometimes but you'll understand him in due time.

verb_to_trust wrote:

stip wrote:I could care less if I ever hear sleight of hand or sometimes again, but I think they're good songs. I can appreciate what they are trying to do, but it doesn't appeal to me.

I agree these may be real nuanced distinctions in this case, but shit, this forum is nothing but thousands of posts about 140 songs

You know you have to hear Sometimes in order to really 'get deafened by' hail hail right?

FIFY

verb_to_trust wrote:Probably Adam

you got me.

digster wrote:I think they've definitely made transitions, but as to stip's point, I can't see someone who loves Riot Act listening to it, and then putting on S/T and having it be so far from the band they just listened to that they can't even see the songs for what they are.

I made the argument on here once that rather than try to push the boundaries of their sound a la U2/R.E.M./Radiohead/etc., they opted to retreat further into their sound to explore the nuances within in. If I remember correctly, my argument was met with quite a bit of hostility. But I think that's kind of what the last three albums have been. After spending the better part of a decade retreating into themselves to explore to small corners, the past three records show a band who have decided to step away from the crevices only to find that they don't really have the knack to make a bigger record like Ten, Vs., or even Vitalogy anymore (though Vitalogy is definitely the start of the retreat into nuance to me).

Lament wrote:

digster wrote:I think they've definitely made transitions, but as to stip's point, I can't see someone who loves Riot Act listening to it, and then putting on S/T and having it be so far from the band they just listened to that they can't even see the songs for what they are.

I made the argument on here once that rather than try to push the boundaries of their sound a la U2/R.E.M./Radiohead/etc., they opted to retreat further into their sound to explore the nuances within in. If I remember correctly, my argument was met with quite a bit of hostility. But I think that's kind of what the last three albums have been. After spending the better part of a decade retreating into themselves to explore to small corners, the past three records show a band who have decided to step away from the crevices only to find that they don't really have the knack to make a bigger record like Ten, Vs., or even Vitalogy anymore (though Vitalogy is definitely the start of the retreat into nuance to me).

TL;DR: They've realised they're too old for this shit.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:Keep up...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word

I believe you may have missed the humour boat on this trip. Hang around the port, enjoy the view, have a burrito, and another boat will come by soon.

Friends taking up for friends... That's sweet. I saw it more as passive/aggressive sarcasm than humor... I have no friends here to take up for me, so I do it myself... Even my 'teammate' won't come to my defense... Thanks a lot, Dev!

None of us are friends here, we all secretly despise each other. Once you get a grasp on that, you'll fit right in. Also, Spenno's a twat sometimes but you'll understand him in due time.

Thanks for the words of wisdom, Sarge... I thought about you last night, BTW...

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:TL;DR: They've realised they're too old for this shit.

TL;DR:

LB is a return to form.
What that form was, or when, is what I'm wondering.

Lament wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:TL;DR: They've realised they're too old for this shit.

TL;DR:

dimejinky99 wrote:LB is a return to form.
What that form was, or when, is what I'm wondering.

The form of a solid, and ropelike dung. The stools were pretty loose there for the past couple of releases.

EJ wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:LB is a return to form.
What that form was, or when, is what I'm wondering.

The form of a solid, and ropelike dung. The stools were pretty loose there for the past couple of releases.

Let's rename the album and track names using bowl movements, and then rank 'em.

96583UP wrote:

This post is pure genius.