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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed March 15, 2017 10:03 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:wtf? Weren't McCain, Paul, and Lindsay Graham like the only three senior GOP faces who have held on to the Russian thing? Unless I've misunderstood something, isn't this a sudden about-face from McCain?
Paul is blocking the ratification of a treaty re:Montenegro joining NATO, which is 100% a gift to Russia intentional or otherwise.
Ah, thanks McP.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed March 15, 2017 10:22 pm
by Kaius
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed March 15, 2017 10:26 pm
by Bi_3
McParadigm wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:wtf? Weren't McCain, Paul, and Lindsay Graham like the only three senior GOP faces who have held on to the Russian thing? Unless I've misunderstood something, isn't this a sudden about-face from McCain?
Paul is blocking the ratification of a treaty re:Montenegro joining NATO, which is 100% a gift to Russia intentional or otherwise.
Yes, but both Pappy Paul and dashing young Rand have been against NATO expansion for years (since W. was in office). To do what McCain did and tie Paul's stance to Trump's apparent capitulation to Russia in Eastern Europe is disingenuous at best, Maddowesque at worst.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed March 15, 2017 11:09 pm
by McParadigm
New travel ban blocked. In other news, lol.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed March 15, 2017 11:22 pm
by McParadigm
Giving credit where it's due

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 2:35 am
by McParadigm
Trump's defenses of his lies always play out like Rick James claiming not to have wrecked a couch.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 2:48 am
by Simple Torture
"Mr. President, you recently accused President Obama of tapping--"

"THAT WAS WEEKS AGO, MOTHERFUCKER"

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 4:38 am
by 96583UP
Истощать болото!

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 3:00 pm
by Electromatic
This wall is the stupidest idea in the entire history of the United States government.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 5:05 pm
by tragabigzanda
So I've been digesting a lot of info over the last week or so. Started with the Ruby Ridge doc on PBS, did a lot of background reading on the inception and evolution of the various factions of the white supremacy movement in Idaho, Washington, Montana. Got into David Koresh. Learned about Geert Wilders. Here's where I'm at; apologies if this is blatantly obvious to the rest of you:

1. The western world will work together to establish anti-Muslim immigration laws and tight border controls. This will coalesce into a "Let the Middle East kill each other sorting out their own problems" approach to policy, though I have no idea what the net result will be.

2. Trump's Wall and related laws will serve to allow Mexicans in to the US, get them documented, and ensure that they can pay taxes on their minimum wage, without receiving any great gov't-subsidized healthcare.

Taken together, we're looking at a (further) capitalist embrace of cheap Mexican labor, and a rejection of those immigrants who have a connection to the Muslim faith.

Not sure where Russia falls into all this yet.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 6:08 pm
by lowlight79
I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 6:10 pm
by doug rr
lowlight79 wrote:I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?
probably not..I can't even imagine how many trips to home depot that would take

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 6:13 pm
by Norah
doug rr wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?
probably not..I can't even imagine how many trips to home depot that would take
Is there a closer spot to pick up day laborers?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 6:18 pm
by bune
lowlight79 wrote:I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?
Considering how many imminent domain cases it would have to cover...no. As soon as the first Texas resident is told they have to give up their real property for this with little to no compensation...AND have this eyesore in their backyard, no.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 6:22 pm
by Strat
bune wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?
Considering how many imminent domain cases it would have to cover...no. As soon as the first Texas resident is told they have to give up their real property for this with little to no compensation...AND have this eyesore in their backyard, no.
Shit. Didn't really think about this. I should move down to Texas and be an appraiser for al lthe eminent domain cases. i could make my fortune off those bums that voted for Trump then high tail it back to the mountains and buy myself a nice spread on 30 acres.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 7:33 pm
by Electromatic
lowlight79 wrote:I can't be the only one that believes this wall will never actually get built, am I?

Well, I mean I've been saying it won't since it was first mentioned, but there it is in a proposed budget for 1.5 BILLION.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 7:40 pm
by lowlight79
Won't the process of maintaining the wall be more than actually building it? I see that as the bigger obstacle.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 7:45 pm
by dimejinky99
Our spineless prime minister is in Washington for st Patrick's day. Trump and Ryan falling over themselves to meet him cos hey look! One world leader likes us!

Then trump gives a speech in which he quotes 'an old Irish proverb' which doesn't actually exist. He just totally made it up!

This guy is past unbelievable

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 7:48 pm
by McParadigm
I'm more concerned with programs like meals on wheels and food vouchers getting gutted that I am about whether or not he manages to fund a wall with the money he saves.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu March 16, 2017 7:50 pm
by Norah
You see the pint that Paul Ryan held up?