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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon June 23, 2025 4:26 am
by spike
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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon June 23, 2025 5:04 am
by Bammer
spike wrote:Image
The AI that created this was pretty subtle with the shade of red on the MAGA hats

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon June 23, 2025 6:46 am
by dimejinky99
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
But I do think that a school district writing and consistently enforcing a clear policy that students do not ever have to change in front of other students if they do not want to, and then providing facilities to accommodate that circumstance, is about as good as start as you’re ever gonna get.
Yes, agree. I believe I've mentioned this before but requiring the "open bathroom" designs in new school builds will help as well.

But.

Given the state of things, is there a situation in which it makes more practical sense to ask the trans identified student to use the alternate facility instead of asking like a large group of objectors to? Is it better, like with racial integration, to have school admins and teachers try and force the situation over the objections of students or should they consider the alternative even if it means contributing to the sense of alienation in the student with identity issues?
I don’t think you want school districts and lawyers drafting policies that say when a student objects to another student being in a location, the target student is the one that gets removed. The scope of unintended consequences is immense.

You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon June 23, 2025 3:51 pm
by blueviper
dimejinky99 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
But I do think that a school district writing and consistently enforcing a clear policy that students do not ever have to change in front of other students if they do not want to, and then providing facilities to accommodate that circumstance, is about as good as start as you’re ever gonna get.
Yes, agree. I believe I've mentioned this before but requiring the "open bathroom" designs in new school builds will help as well.

But.

Given the state of things, is there a situation in which it makes more practical sense to ask the trans identified student to use the alternate facility instead of asking like a large group of objectors to? Is it better, like with racial integration, to have school admins and teachers try and force the situation over the objections of students or should they consider the alternative even if it means contributing to the sense of alienation in the student with identity issues?
I don’t think you want school districts and lawyers drafting policies that say when a student objects to another student being in a location, the target student is the one that gets removed. The scope of unintended consequences is immense.

You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon June 23, 2025 3:51 pm
by blueviper
dimejinky99 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
But I do think that a school district writing and consistently enforcing a clear policy that students do not ever have to change in front of other students if they do not want to, and then providing facilities to accommodate that circumstance, is about as good as start as you’re ever gonna get.
Yes, agree. I believe I've mentioned this before but requiring the "open bathroom" designs in new school builds will help as well.

But.

Given the state of things, is there a situation in which it makes more practical sense to ask the trans identified student to use the alternate facility instead of asking like a large group of objectors to? Is it better, like with racial integration, to have school admins and teachers try and force the situation over the objections of students or should they consider the alternative even if it means contributing to the sense of alienation in the student with identity issues?
I don’t think you want school districts and lawyers drafting policies that say when a student objects to another student being in a location, the target student is the one that gets removed. The scope of unintended consequences is immense.

You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 5:49 am
by dimejinky99
You didn’t look very hard. It’s on her own Twitter feed
In response, Rowling said that policing trans people in public toilets can be handled, “Quite easily, really. Decent men will stay out, as they always have, so we can assume all who don’t are a threat, given their disregard for women’s and girls’ safety, privacy and dignity. Photographing, reporting and disseminating such men’s images online will be a piece of cake.”
JK Rowling says to photograph women in toilets just in case they’re transgender

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/06/jk- ... ansgender/

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 6:07 am
by spike
Taking pictures in public bathrooms is always a great idea.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 7:01 am
by dimejinky99
And presumably the men doing so would have to be in the ladies toilets to take them

Sooo isn’t that what she’s been railing against the whole time?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 7:19 am
by spike
She’s an idiot, dime.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 10:12 am
by dimejinky99
A very dangerous one who has already ruined people’s lives and wants to harm more

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 12:13 pm
by blueviper
dimejinky99 wrote:You didn’t look very hard. It’s on her own Twitter feed
In response, Rowling said that policing trans people in public toilets can be handled, “Quite easily, really. Decent men will stay out, as they always have, so we can assume all who don’t are a threat, given their disregard for women’s and girls’ safety, privacy and dignity. Photographing, reporting and disseminating such men’s images online will be a piece of cake.”
JK Rowling says to photograph women in toilets just in case they’re transgender

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/06/jk- ... ansgender/
I don’t have Twitter and went through the first three pages of google results, so *shrug*

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 12:44 pm
by lvc
I don't quite get the argument of the invalidity or dismiss-ability of something just because it's a "social construct". All of human history is comprised of social constructs. The very law that someone would use to establish their rights as this or that identity is a social construct (law) trying to create a social construct held in place by coercive force (rights) in order to keep another social construct (identity) comfortable and and feeling validated.

The very statement that an identity should be socially acceptable or even embraced/normed is a social construct.

All I'm saying is that picking an choosing which social constructs gets to boss the other social constructs around is basically the definition of all human conflict (unless there's a food/shelter shortage--but even then borders and territory are another social construct). So while it's easy to post a picture of a mushroom cloud and act like bickering over social constructs was a distraction that kept us from saving the world from it's real problems, I think that's a fundamentally flawed stance because war is simply the final escalation of a long (or short) series of power struggles over who gets to be in charge and tell other people how to live.

Anyway, thought I'd squeeze in one more use of social construct.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 12:54 pm
by Bi_3
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.
Because he made it up.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 1:28 pm
by warehouse
*kicks door in*

"Hands Up and Dicks Out right now!"

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 4:26 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.
Because he made it up.
He posted an article that quotes JK's tweet. You can say the tweet is fake. You can say those that wrote the article made it up. You can say dime misconstrued something. You can argue any of those things and provide evidence to back up you claim.

You can't say dime made it up. He didn't.

Once again we find ourselves here.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 5:23 pm
by Bi_3
epilogue wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.
Because he made it up.
He posted an article that quotes JK's tweet. You can say the tweet is fake. You can say those that wrote the article made it up. You can say dime misconstrued something. You can argue any of those things and provide evidence to back up you claim.

You can't say dime made it up. He didn't.

Once again we find ourselves here.
Once again we do.

In general it’s the person making the accusation (“Rowling is doing X”) that has to prove the accusation is true, but I’ll play along here. I am not claiming the tweet is fake. It’s real. It’s common knowledge that Rowling opposes trans people in women’s spaces. What I am saying above is that the accusations in the quoted post above, starting with ‘she’s hiring teams of men…’ are made up and are not supported by either the Rowling tweet or the accompanying article. The reason you cannot find any information on google about these teams of hired dick inspectors and the website Rowling is making is because they are not real. If something is not real, it is by definition made up.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 5:32 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:
epilogue wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
You should read up on what jk Rowling has planned. She’s hiring teams of men to go patrolling toilets to make sure the people in there are in the ‘correct’ toilet and if they find a trans man or woman in the ‘wrong’ toilet they’re going to take pictures of them and spread them online and on a website she’s building for the purpose and identifying the person and where they’re from and work etc
So imagine an ICE but looking for trans people. And she has the billions to do it and gave no come back whatsoever of anyone has ‘an unfortunate’ encounter with one of her agents.
People are going to get seriously hurt or worse. This is where all this bullshit and hysteria is leading. And there’s absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
I would read up on it, but I haven't found anything regarding this news item.
Because he made it up.
He posted an article that quotes JK's tweet. You can say the tweet is fake. You can say those that wrote the article made it up. You can say dime misconstrued something. You can argue any of those things and provide evidence to back up you claim.

You can't say dime made it up. He didn't.

Once again we find ourselves here.
Once again we do.

In general it’s the person making the accusation (“Rowling is doing X”) that has to prove the accusation is true, but I’ll play along here. I am not claiming the tweet is fake. It’s real. It’s common knowledge that Rowling opposes trans people in women’s spaces. What I am saying above is that the accusations in the quoted post above, starting with ‘she’s hiring teams of men…’ are made up and are not supported by either the Rowling tweet or the accompanying article. The reason you cannot find any information on google about these teams of hired dick inspectors and the website Rowling is making is because they are not real. If something is not real, it is by definition made up.
There we go! See, it really isn't all that hard. :)

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 5:37 pm
by dimejinky99
Oh dear Bi

Of all the people to run to the defence of, Jk Rowling? Jesus Christ

I didn’t make anything up, she’s funding several ‘terf’ groups and organisations to wage her little war and undertake the ‘dick inspections’ as you so eloquently put it. She’s also funding the legal defense of anyone she agrees with who has run afoul of the actual law, if she disagrees with whatever law, be it libellous or physical harm.
I’m not your mom and am not here to spoon feed you or play your online rage bait agitator bullshit game. We get it. You’re not ‘far right’ anti fuckin everything you don’t like, not at all you’re really balanced and just like spirited debate (HHHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA)
But you’d want to put up a better defense than the school yard bullshit you’re currently doing. When it’s so easily taken apart.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue June 24, 2025 5:44 pm
by tree_
grow up, dime. what are you, 13 years old or something? JEEZ

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed July 02, 2025 12:33 am
by Matters
Penn to erase Lia Thomas records, ban transgender athletes from women's sports in Title IX agreement

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 438014007/