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Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 12:52 am
by spike
Who cares, it looks cool.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 12:59 am
by BurtReynolds
How many kids died so Neo could look cool?

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 12:59 am
by BurtReynolds
How many?!

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:03 am
by The Argonaut
The people in Zion were the people who were truly alive. 99 out of 100 people plugged into the Matrix could never be freed from it, and only then if they are able to make it out at a young age. Batteries die every day.

(And also Neo explicitly makes the conscious choice in the scene right before that shot to go ahead and let all of humanity, including Zion, be killed and die in order to save Trinity)

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:12 am
by BurtReynolds
The Argonaut wrote:The people in Zion were the people who were truly alive. 99 out of 100 people plugged into the Matrix could never be freed from it, and only then if they are able to make it out at a young age. Batteries die every day.

(And also Neo explicitly makes the conscious choice in the scene right before that shot to go ahead and let all of humanity, including Zion, be killed and die in order to save Trinity)
Based as fuck.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:15 am
by The Argonaut
Neo does choose to kill all of humanity in the scene immediately preceding that shot, though, you can't deny that.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:18 am
by BurtReynolds
I won't deny it!
I have no idea!

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:24 am
by JuanHamm
Neo, Trinity and Morpheus also kill a lot of cops and security guards who are just doing their jobs.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:29 am
by The Argonaut
Anyone could become an Agent at any moment. All Agents Are Bastards

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:39 am
by spike
JuanHamm wrote:Neo, Trinity and Morpheus also kill a lot of cops and security guards who are just doing their jobs.
It was self defense.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:47 am
by The Argonaut
Ms Harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Can't wait for the sequel where they ignore the implications of this ending and go back to more kung fu. Like they did with the last trilogy.

I’m surprised you like it at all. The whole thing is a warning about future trans and how we abandon all gender and humanity and become digital pigs and Lego blocks depending on the need of the matrix

nobody is safe in those bathrooms
lol what?
I think he was doing a parody? But, ya know, it's dime so it's hard to understand exactly what he's going for or what all of his words mean

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 1:47 am
by Jorge
He's one of a kind

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 2:33 am
by E.H. Ruddock
Burt, I’m the spirit of me and LV doing a live posting while watching bad movies (Jupiter ascending, Beastmaster) i want to watch and do a live posting of this with you. You in?

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 2:47 am
by Ms Harmless
The Argonaut wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Can't wait for the sequel where they ignore the implications of this ending and go back to more kung fu. Like they did with the last trilogy.

I’m surprised you like it at all. The whole thing is a warning about future trans and how we abandon all gender and humanity and become digital pigs and Lego blocks depending on the need of the matrix

nobody is safe in those bathrooms
lol what?
I think he was doing a parody? But, ya know, it's dime so it's hard to understand exactly what he's going for or what all of his words mean
yeah actually I read it again and there's no way that isn't irony

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 3:12 am
by BurtReynolds
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Burt, I’m the spirit of me and LV doing a live posting while watching bad movies (Jupiter ascending, Beastmaster) i want to watch and do a live posting of this with you. You in?
Of matrix 3? I'll rewatch it. I guess I'll have to watch 2 as well.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 3:13 am
by BurtReynolds
JuanHamm wrote:Neo, Trinity and Morpheus also kill a lot of cops and security guards who are just doing their jobs.
They aren't role models!

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 4:14 am
by Rob
Ms Harmless wrote:
spike wrote:
Rob wrote:I wondered the same thing as Burt. Just weird that this story goes that way, with Tiffany realizing she’s Trinity and then just immediately ditching the family she was with all that time. Her character in general was handled terribly in this movie, which I think is its biggest flaw. But I enjoyed it, still. The action sequences weren’t as good and some of the new characters needed more time, but for a sequel 18 years later it was good.
Once she remembers she’s Trinity, with that comes the knowledge that her matrix life isn’t real. She’s been unplugged before, so the matrix isn’t the only reality she’s known.
also this
Yea, all I’m saying is that it just seemed weird to me the way they handled it, and her character in general. Neo struggles to leave, seems an afterthought for her when it’s time. The overall idea/arc is good. The movie is about Trinity more than anyone else and my only gripe is that I don’t think they handled her character well here.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 4:23 am
by The Argonaut
Trinity's realization doesn't come in just that moment in the diner. She comes into the diner already having nearly figured it out for herself but decided to not go all the way down the rabbit hole. It wasn't a snap thing. She knew the truth but didn't allow herself to articulate it fully, even to herself, because she knew that would explode the Matrix life she had. She'd been thinking about it since she shook Neo's hand in the cafe at the beginning of the movie.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 4:26 am
by lennytheweedwhacker
The Argonaut wrote:Trinity's realization doesn't come in just that moment in the diner. She comes into the diner already having nearly figured it out for herself but decided to not go all the way down the rabbit hole. It wasn't a snap thing. She knew the truth but didn't allow herself to articulate it fully, even to herself, because she knew that would explode the Matrix life she had. She'd been thinking about it since she shook Neo's hand in the cafe at the beginning of the movie.
You don't know what she is thinking.

Re: Movie: Matrix Resurrections

Posted: Fri December 31, 2021 4:30 am
by The Argonaut
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:Trinity's realization doesn't come in just that moment in the diner. She comes into the diner already having nearly figured it out for herself but decided to not go all the way down the rabbit hole. It wasn't a snap thing. She knew the truth but didn't allow herself to articulate it fully, even to herself, because she knew that would explode the Matrix life she had. She'd been thinking about it since she shook Neo's hand in the cafe at the beginning of the movie.
You don't know what she is thinking.
She says exactly what she is thinking, out loud, in multiple scenes over the course of the movie. This is a terrible movie, but I don't see the criticism that the Tiffany/Trinity story is under-explained as totally fair