Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

[dimejinky99]

[tragabigzanda]

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[MissYouAllDay]

"affordable"

[BurtReynolds]

lol @ affordable.

[BurtReynolds]

beat me to it.

[digster]

I've never really understood the perspective of being entirely uncompromising when it comes to choosing a president. I feel like most of his life is choosing between the best of heavily flawed options; I see no reason to expect that picking a person to be president would be any different. When people advise against choosing "the lesser of two evils," that's just hard to understand. Out of the hundreds of millions of people in the country, I'm to choose from two, or maybe three, to be president. How does someone not go into a choice like that expecting to have to pick the lesser evil?

[Norah]

Except voting for HRC wouldn't have been a mindless act. It would have been very mindful of the options in front of them, and a recognition that their own best interests are much better served if she beat Trump.

[Strat]

lol @ affordable.

It is for me now :\ sorry, burt.

[Strat]

The hilarious part of the whole thing, is that when Bernie announced his candidacy and people never gave him a chance to even make it close, the consensus argument seemed to be "well, if he pushes HRC and the DNC further left, it'll be worth it for him to run". Then he got so close that that no longer became good enough, and was worth throwing away just to punish the Democrats.

I'm unclear on what you mean by the bold part. You mean the DNC is worth throwing away?

Look, I am going through a deep ideological change here. I'm sure my smarmy posts are somewhat short-sighted. But after having my sis and bro-in-law here from MA last week, I am reminded of how simultaneously exacerbating and draining it is to be surrounded by millions of scared, like-minded people at all times. They couldn't go more than a few hours without talking about Trump, Hillary, Bernie, etc...

What I'm honestly feeling is a deep need to pull back from national politics. Not because I don't care about the issues, but because this election -- and the media's treatment of the election, in particular -- defied all rational expectations I held. I'm becoming increasingly concerned with my immediate sphere of influence, and effecting change on a local and state level, and increasingly disillusioned by any news outlet that purports to predict the future of our country and make me feel like I'm in a position of power by virtue of being informed. I am electing a sort of willful ignorance in favor of embracing the issues closer to my home and daily life, rather than exhausting my energies trying to keep up with the politicos of the world.

I just came across a great quote by Frederick Buechner: "At what points do my talents and deep gladness meet the world's deep need?" This is ringing very true for me.

The sky is not falling, chud. I imagine that a lot of people in MA are feeling that way. But here in MT I'm feeling relatively safe and secure, yet keenly aware of those issues that do impact me directly (the environment, immigration, and gun control are big ones here). We can all still be forces of positive change; we don't have to read every headline and tackle every issue. That shit is exhausting.

So yea, fuck the DNC. I don't literally hope they burn, or collapse, or anything like that. But I'm done supporting them because of the party line mentality. And their combination of piousness/alarmist/handwringing reactions is every bit as manipulative as Trump saying that Mexicans are rapists. It's all bullshit, because none of it is within my control. I feel I can have way more of a positive impact by sharing a beer with my wife's co-workers here who are gun owners, and trying to understand their rational for desiring to own fully automatic weapons.

I'm still fighting the good fight; I've just come to a place where I see the mainstream media as overwhelmingly enslaved by the liberal agenda; they stink of hypocrisy and manipulation every bit as much as the GOP, even if their stances on most issues are more in line with my own.

so many question I want to ask

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[digster]

lol @ affordable.

It is for me now :\ sorry, burt.

There's also no way to know how these things turn out. It could be that Trump and the Republicans make a clusterfuck of health care in the next four years, leading to strong support for single-payer after all.

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[BurtReynolds]

lol @ affordable.

It is for me now :\ sorry, burt.

Then you are in the minority by most accounts. "Affordable" care for many lower income people certainly don't match the liberal elitist fantasy of what affordable care is.

[Bi_3]

The hilarious part of the whole thing, is that when Bernie announced his candidacy and people never gave him a chance to even make it close, the consensus argument seemed to be "well, if he pushes HRC and the DNC further left, it'll be worth it for him to run". Then he got so close that that no longer became good enough, and was worth throwing away just to punish the Democrats.

I'm unclear on what you mean by the bold part. You mean the DNC is worth throwing away?

Look, I am going through a deep ideological change here. I'm sure my smarmy posts are somewhat short-sighted. But after having my sis and bro-in-law here from MA last week, I am reminded of how simultaneously exacerbating and draining it is to be surrounded by millions of scared, like-minded people at all times. They couldn't go more than a few hours without talking about Trump, Hillary, Bernie, etc...

What I'm honestly feeling is a deep need to pull back from national politics. Not because I don't care about the issues, but because this election -- and the media's treatment of the election, in particular -- defied all rational expectations I held. I'm becoming increasingly concerned with my immediate sphere of influence, and effecting change on a local and state level, and increasingly disillusioned by any news outlet that purports to predict the future of our country and make me feel like I'm in a position of power by virtue of being informed. I am electing a sort of willful ignorance in favor of embracing the issues closer to my home and daily life, rather than exhausting my energies trying to keep up with the politicos of the world.

I just came across a great quote by Frederick Buechner: "At what points do my talents and deep gladness meet the world's deep need?" This is ringing very true for me.

The sky is not falling, chud. I imagine that a lot of people in MA are feeling that way. But here in MT I'm feeling relatively safe and secure, yet keenly aware of those issues that do impact me directly (the environment, immigration, and gun control are big ones here). We can all still be forces of positive change; we don't have to read every headline and tackle every issue. That shit is exhausting.

So yea, fuck the DNC. I don't literally hope they burn, or collapse, or anything like that. But I'm done supporting them because of the party line mentality. And their combination of piousness/alarmist/handwringing reactions is every bit as manipulative as Trump saying that Mexicans are rapists. It's all bullshit, because none of it is within my control. I feel I can have way more of a positive impact by sharing a beer with my wife's co-workers here who are gun owners, and trying to understand their rational for desiring to own fully automatic weapons.

I'm still fighting the good fight; I've just come to a place where I see the mainstream media as overwhelmingly enslaved by the liberal agenda; they stink of hypocrisy and manipulation every bit as much as the GOP, even if their stances on most issues are more in line with my own.

This is a great post.

Questioning your own rationalizations is the first step to really knowing yourself and the world around you, and only then can you really become the change you want to see.

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[Strat]

lol @ affordable.

It is for me now :\ sorry, burt.

You're in the real estate biz in one of the most expensive markets on the planet.

whats your point?

[Strat]

lol @ affordable.

It is for me now :\ sorry, burt.

You're in the real estate biz in one of the most expensive markets on the planet.

I was just being a butthead with his, by the way. I'm happy you're well and of course I'm happy for my own good fortune; that's precisely what is driving me to focus on the issues that actually effect me rather than taking up other peoples' causes.

Just saw this.

I was denied for years. Even just asking for catastrophic coverage. I offered to pay $500 premiums with like a $10K deductible for basic care in case i broke my neck or got cancer and i was denied because i had knee surgery 10 years ago and because i see a therapist. Thats awful.

[Strat]

My point is there is always a narrative and even burt buys into his anarchist narrative as well. The answer is always in the middle.

As of now, the republicans offer jack fucking shit

[tragabigzanda]

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