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Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 29, 2022 2:06 pm
by spike
:idea:

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 29, 2022 6:05 pm
by simple schoolboy

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Tue October 11, 2022 1:56 pm
by 4/5
My school is currently getting swatted. Police all over the hallways as we all duck and cover in the room.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:21 am
by elliseamos
Real or drill?

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:27 am
by simple schoolboy

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 4:43 am
by Bammer
4/5 wrote:My school is currently getting swatted. Police all over the hallways as we all duck and cover in the room.
My first instinct would be to RM, also.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 10:10 am
by bart
It was a false alarm

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 11:06 am
by B
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 11:28 am
by Bi_3
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?
Explains towards the end, the assertion is that the act of not preventing cheating is done to avoid a disparate impact. More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'. This re-enforces the prejudiced belief that students from those groups are not good enough.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 12:57 pm
by 4/5
Bammer wrote:
4/5 wrote:My school is currently getting swatted. Police all over the hallways as we all duck and cover in the room.
My first instinct would be to RM, also.
Sitting in the dark for 40 minutes with nothing else to do, yanno? It wasn't a drill. Basically somebody called in active shooter reports all over Miami-Dade and Broward County yesterday and succeeded in getting police to swarm schools and swat units brought out. It's a pretty good snapshot of education in America these days, really.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 1:38 pm
by Bammer
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?
Explains towards the end, the assertion is that the act of not preventing cheating is done to avoid a disparate impact. More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'. This re-enforces the prejudiced belief that students from those groups are not good enough.
I think I’ve posted about this before - I was accused of being racist for using a “big word” during a phone call with a POC, meant to “confuse” her.

The nasty, hateful word in question: Objective

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:27 pm
by McParadigm
Bi_3 wrote:More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'.
As a data driven guy, he should be taking solace in the knowledge that, if this is indeed the problem he believes it to be, then UMass will develop a devastating failure/dropout rate and there will shortly be direct, actionable evidence that this system is harmful.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:32 pm
by McParadigm
4/5 wrote:
Bammer wrote:
4/5 wrote:My school is currently getting swatted. Police all over the hallways as we all duck and cover in the room.
My first instinct would be to RM, also.
Sitting in the dark for 40 minutes with nothing else to do, yanno? It wasn't a drill. Basically somebody called in active shooter reports all over Miami-Dade and Broward County yesterday and succeeded in getting police to swarm schools and swat units brought out. It's a pretty good snapshot of education in America these days, really.
Sadly, it is. The blasé public response in the aftermath of a prank which could and has historically resulted in tragedy is a snapshot of something, as well.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:36 pm
by BurtReynolds
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'.
As a data driven guy, he should be taking solace in the knowledge that, if this is indeed the problem he believes it to be, then UMass will develop a devastating failure/dropout rate and there will shortly be direct, actionable evidence that this system is harmful.
There is little reason to think they will flunk anyone. They will simply be passed and their lack of preparedness will only become noticed when they try to enter the market. Of course, this will be only be interpreted as more actionable evidence that we need more "equity".

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 2:46 pm
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'.
As a data driven guy, he should be taking solace in the knowledge that, if this is indeed the problem he believes it to be, then UMass will develop a devastating failure/dropout rate and there will shortly be direct, actionable evidence that this system is harmful.
There is little reason to think they will flunk anyone. They will simply be passed and their lack of preparedness will only become noticed when they try to enter the market. Of course, this will be only be interpreted as more actionable evidence that we need more "equity".

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 3:08 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?
Explains towards the end, the assertion is that the act of not preventing cheating is done to avoid a disparate impact. More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'. This re-enforces the prejudiced belief that students from those groups are not good enough.
So, allowing cheating on math exams is not a viable solution for bias in testing?

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 3:26 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?
Explains towards the end, the assertion is that the act of not preventing cheating is done to avoid a disparate impact. More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'. This re-enforces the prejudiced belief that students from those groups are not good enough.
So, allowing cheating on math exams is not a viable solution for bias in testing?
No it is not.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 3:44 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand. That's an article about not proctoring tests and cheating. What does that have to do with racism?
Explains towards the end, the assertion is that the act of not preventing cheating is done to avoid a disparate impact. More broadly it allows students to enter into classes (take out loans, pay tuition for, etc.) they are not prepared for creating a scenario where unqualified historically disadvantaged students are set up to fail as a result of 'equity'. This re-enforces the prejudiced belief that students from those groups are not good enough.
So, allowing cheating on math exams is not a viable solution for bias in testing?
No it is not.
Fair.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 5:09 pm
by 4/5
Did this thread just solve race/woke/education/everything else? I think it did.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed October 12, 2022 5:38 pm
by B
4/5 wrote:Did this thread just solve race/woke/education/everything else? I think it did.
Sorry, we triggered the conservs.