Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Wait, I missed this

stip wrote:Interesting that he seems to have the vocal melody before the lyrics. I'd have thought the lyrics would come first

You actually thought "you're always saying that there's something wrong / I'm starting to believe it's your plan all along" are lines you build a song around?

Oh, im still alive, ohhh ya yaya, i i i i am still alive, yeah yeah huh derh.."

Come on man. Vedder was not changing peoples lives because of his lyrics.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm talking about.

Stip thought Ed wrote the lyrics first, then came up with a melody for them. I contend that one of the reasons that opening line sucks is because it's awkwardly constructed to fit the meter. Just like "death came around, forced to hear its song". There's a certain tolerance for less-than-graceful wording in rock lyrics because the words are often subservient to the melody, lines twisted into shape to fit the scheme. It seems odd to me to imagine that the lyrics would come first for a song like this. Save for the odd line here and there.

so you are you saying the melodic line already in place by the band does not leave any room for something more inciting than what was produced?

Nah just that the lyrics to "Life Wasted" have always come off to me as labored, and it makes sense that they were written to fit into the song (instead of the other way around).

Remember, too, that Of the Earth was an S/T creation but also shelved. So, it's not JUST Let it Ride, Cold Confession, and these that were left off, but that behemoth too. This is getting pretty close to Binaural-level ridiculousness, and that is saying a lot.

stip wrote:something like 10 Billion Years would really stick out on a pearl jam album for me, and not in a good way. This is just my own issue, but for whatever reason I have a lot trouble making space for other voices (even lyrical voices) on a pearl jam album. Those songs feel foreign and out of place. Even though I think In Hiding is one of Eddie's worst set of lyrics, and that ATY is much better written, the fact that Eddie didn't write that song, and that it isn't in his voice, really throws me. The fact that there were so many shared writing credits really holds back Binaural and Yield for me.

track11 wrote:Remember, too, that Of the Earth was an S/T creation but also shelved. So, it's not JUST Let it Ride, Cold Confession, and these that were left off, but that behemoth too. This is getting pretty close to Binaural-level ridiculousness, and that is saying a lot.

omg you're right

Of the Earth
Cold Confession
Let it Ride
The Only Cloud in the Sky
10 Billion Years

smh

Damn, 10 billion years is fucking amazing

Seems like this disc was created for Ed as a "homework assignment." Very cool to have this part of their creative process out there.

You know what, this rough vocal mix of Life Wasted doesn't sound all that different from how he sings it nowadays.

I wonder how people argue about lyrics on a board dedicated to a band like the Smashing Pumpkins. I bet it's hilarious.

Rearranged Priorities reminds me of Arcade Fire's Normal Person

Lucky 13 reminds me of The Fixer and Corduroy.

McParadigm wrote:I wonder how people argue about lyrics on a board dedicated to a band like the Smashing Pumpkins. I bet it's hilarious.

Graceful swans of never topple to the earth

track11 wrote:Remember, too, that Of the Earth was an S/T creation but also shelved. So, it's not JUST Let it Ride, Cold Confession, and these that were left off, but that behemoth too. This is getting pretty close to Binaural-level ridiculousness, and that is saying a lot.

that's not saying a lot, because binaural is amazing. avocado is dry and bland but could have been so sexy. dickhead band.

Holy Shit, I'm only like 2 songs in and already this material shows the potential of what could have been the "Yield" of the new millennium. Expanding the sounds, and tonal palette of the band without veering too far out of classic PJ territory (and this is coming from someone who is a big Avocado fan). Ultimately they wanted to make a more aggressive, politically charged record and I guess I can't fault them that. They should dust some of this stuff off and finish it for number 11.

As many have pointed out, these leaked songs don't jive very well with what ended up on the record. Makes me wonder what the "behind the scenes" of this album was like. I could picture Ed pushing a more immediate, political vibe and Stone (and maybe others) wanting something more experimental ("We already did the anti-Bush record with Riot Act, let's move on"). We all know who wins those kinds of band arguments.

can someone pm me a link, cheers

also, "Rearranged Furniture" is great. It sounds like Evacuation had a baby with Do the Evolution.

Can anybody please help a brother out with a link? I'd appreciate it very much

EDIT: Found it!

Would greatly appreciate a pm with a link please!

Speaking as someone who loves S/T, I've yet to hear anything from any of these leaks that I'd swap in.

I can't understand the level of excitement there is around 10 Billion Years and Cold Confession - they both have a lovely mood about them, but there's no structure to either of them. They're lacking a bridge, a chorus, or something. Very repetitive. Having said that, I could see 10 Billion Years as being a good album closer. But not on S/T.

Still waiting to hear a studio version of Of The Earth.

darthvedder81 wrote:Holy Shit, I'm only like 2 songs in and already this material shows the potential of what could have been the "Yield" of the new millennium. Expanding the sounds, and tonal palette of the band without veering too far out of classic PJ territory (and this is coming from someone who is a big Avocado fan). Ultimately they wanted to make a more aggressive, politically charged record and I guess I can't fault them that. They should dust some of this stuff off and finish it for number 11.

As many have pointed out, these leaked songs don't jive very well with what ended up on the record. Makes me wonder what the "behind the scenes" of this album was like. I could picture Ed pushing a more immediate, political vibe and Stone (and maybe others) wanting something more experimental ("We already did the anti-Bush record with Riot Act, let's move on"). We all know who wins those kinds of band arguments.

Political lyrics could end up on any song, and stone did write life wasted, comatose (I think) and come back, so it's not like he was sitting on the sidelines here in terms of the songs that made it. Isn't he the 'businessman' of the group? I'm sure,he, as much as anyone, wanted a hard hitting, aggressive, immediate album for their independent debut