Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:You can sort of here Ed starting to experiment with a grittier vocal on that, the thing that would eventually be debuted on Blood, and then appear all over Vitalogy.

dimejinky99 wrote:Saw my first ever PJ show this day 20 years ago. First date on the due leg for No Code.
Time flies

Fuzzcharger wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Saw my first ever PJ show this day 20 years ago. First date on the due leg for No Code.
Time flies

I don't think I've ever seen EV with a Gibson ES335 before. Cool!

dimejinky99 wrote:

Fuzzcharger wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Saw my first ever PJ show this day 20 years ago. First date on the due leg for No Code.
Time flies

I don't think I've ever seen EV with a Gibson ES335 before. Cool!

He was playing present tense in that shot. Funny I don't think I've seen it before or since either.

dimejinky99 wrote:

hlniv wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:So Dave should be included cos he was in the band when they were super famous?


Jesus Christ

Yes, that's correct.

And they wouldn't have been as famous without him. He was a part of their image for a very critical 2-3 year period.

Follow your logic. He didnt play on ten. The record that broke them. He couldn't really play anything outside that same best at different speeds.. He had stupid hair was too happy and annoyed everyone.

He should be thankful for his job at bugerking.

hlniv wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

hlniv wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:So Dave should be included cos he was in the band when they were super famous?


Jesus Christ

Yes, that's correct.

And they wouldn't have been as famous without him. He was a part of their image for a very critical 2-3 year period.

Follow your logic. He didnt play on ten. The record that broke them. He couldn't really play anything outside that same best at different speeds.. He had stupid hair was too happy and annoyed everyone.

He should be thankful for his job at bugerking.

My scientific polling tells me that 97% of Pearl Jam fans in the early to mid 90's (i.e. when they found the success that changes their lives), first became aware of Pearl Jam when Dave A was their drummer. His presence on the MTV performances alone (Jeremy, RITFW, Animal, Unplugged!) should have cemented him as in the Pearl Jam "classic lineup". Most anyone who became a fan before 1996 will point to one of these performances as a primary reason that they became interested.

How someone doesn't see this is beyond my capacity for understanding.

While he is not my first choice PJ drummer (Jack Irons is), trying to deny his connection with (and importance to) the success of the band is ludicrous. Eddie and the Jams better see that and try to do something about it. It's just the right thing to do after 22 years.

hlniv wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

hlniv wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:So Dave should be included cos he was in the band when they were super famous?


Jesus Christ

Yes, that's correct.

And they wouldn't have been as famous without him. He was a part of their image for a very critical 2-3 year period.

Follow your logic. He didnt play on ten. The record that broke them. He couldn't really play anything outside that same best at different speeds.. He had stupid hair was too happy and annoyed everyone.

He should be thankful for his job at bugerking.

My scientific polling tells me that 97% of Pearl Jam fans in the early to mid 90's (i.e. when they found the success that changes their lives), first became aware of Pearl Jam when Dave A was their drummer. His presence on the MTV performances alone (Jeremy, RITFW, Animal, Unplugged!) should have cemented him as in the Pearl Jam "classic lineup". Most anyone who became a fan before 1996 will point to one of these performances as a primary reason that they became interested.

How someone doesn't see this is beyond my capacity for understanding.

While he is not my first choice PJ drummer (Jack Irons is), trying to deny his connection with (and importance to) the success of the band is ludicrous. Eddie and the Jams better see that and try to do something about it. It's just the right thing to do after 22 years.

wease wrote:

UglyRedHonda wrote:

Coach wrote:I think Jeremy is a lock. That MTV performance where Ed goes all shit balls at the end was an iconic moment and at the time really kicked in more fans on the bandwagon. I remember, because I lived it.

I'm not sure that I'd agree that it's a lock, only because of their (seemingly) conflicted relationship with that song. (I mean, between Atlanta '94 and Red Rocks '95, they basically rewrote it twice.) I feel like if there's any one song that represents what Ed was fighting against in 1994 (other than possibly "Black"), it's that one. And, maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but the modern performances of it feel weird, like Ed's not really buying into it, but is still doing his best to get the crowd into it.

But I could not agree more about the weight of that MTV performance. (MTV had that performance in regular rotation, even when they were also playing the regular video.) The thing about it - if you look at where Ed's going shitballs, so is Dave. They're basically going shitballs in tandem - at times, Ed is almost doing a vocal version of what Dave is playing (or vise-versa).

By the time of that performance, I'd spent the entire summer listening almost exclusively to Ten and was a little bit burned out on it. But after that performance, I was in love with that song all over again, and even more so than before. Krusen could never have pulled off a performance like that.

The build-up to that moment at 4:18, and especially that moment.

Then you have Stone running/hopping in circles... The whole band was all-in on this one.

dimejinky99 wrote:It's always been weird to my mind that generally RM slates pearl jam and takes them apart ..the only time any love is really shown or passions rise, is on the drummer debate.

And it never about the period or record that drummer played in, but the drummer themselves.

Odd that.