Red Mosquito

elliseamos wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:Team Dime. We’re addressing a systemic problem with policing here, not only the events of the past two weeks.

I don't disagree overall, but Dime's first message made it seem like it just happened. And given the circumstances of the story, I think a case could be made that it was suicide by cop... it's a horrible scene, but hugely different than the stories of countless others that were unarmed. And yes, even that could become debatable in this man's case.

In dime’s defense, he actually wasn’t the first one that posted about that. I don’t remember who it was, maybe B?, but it was up for days before dime ever posted it.

B wrote:

wease wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Bellevue, WA

Have police not heard anything in the last two weeks?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Huh? These officers are supposed to be trained to handle the pressure of their job, not take that pressure out on those they’re meant to be serving and protecting. #acab

spike wrote:

B wrote:

wease wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Bellevue, WA

Have police not heard anything in the last two weeks?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Huh? These officers are supposed to be trained to handle the pressure of their job, not take that pressure out on those they’re meant to be serving and protecting. #acab

May be neither here nor there but downtown Bellevue is extremely bougie as far as downtowns of (relatively) large cities go.

tragabigzanda wrote:Well and here's a guy with an alternate take:

But the article I posted above doesn't really parse this out. The language around reform really needs to get better defined and more nuanced, pronto

For sure. I’ve read various news sources mention Camden as a contemporary example, and others say there has been no modern example of this.

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

B wrote:

wease wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Bellevue, WA

Have police not heard anything in the last two weeks?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Huh? These officers are supposed to be trained to handle the pressure of their job, not take that pressure out on those they’re meant to be serving and protecting. #acab

May be neither here nor there but downtown Bellevue is extremely bougie as far as downtowns of (relatively) large cities go.

Why would that matter?

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

B wrote:

wease wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Bellevue, WA

Have police not heard anything in the last two weeks?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Huh? These officers are supposed to be trained to handle the pressure of their job, not take that pressure out on those they’re meant to be serving and protecting. #acab

May be neither here nor there but downtown Bellevue is extremely bougie as far as downtowns of (relatively) large cities go.

Why would that matter?

I guess it's less like "racist pig cop choking black people in the hood" and more like this kinda situation:

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

B wrote:

wease wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Bellevue, WA

Have police not heard anything in the last two weeks?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Huh? These officers are supposed to be trained to handle the pressure of their job, not take that pressure out on those they’re meant to be serving and protecting. #acab

May be neither here nor there but downtown Bellevue is extremely bougie as far as downtowns of (relatively) large cities go.

Why would that matter?

Not everyone knows Bellevue. Just providing some unimportant context.

It really is *all* cops!

Buffalo is knocking it outta the park.

tragabigzanda wrote:Well and here's a guy with an alternate take:

But the article I posted above doesn't really parse this out. The language around reform really needs to get better defined and more nuanced, pronto

Yes, there's a vast chasm of difference between:

1. Defund the existing police department in order to start afresh with new leadership, increased accountability, new methods of recruitment and training, etc. (which I think would be broadly popular, though still unacceptable to hardline activists); and

2. Defund the police entirely, distribute the funds to community organisations which help address what are seen by activists as the driving forces behind crime (which I suspect would be political insanity, but the only thing which would pacify the tiny minority of hardliners.)

How about just making civil forfeiture illegal? It's probably unconstitutional, and it would royally fuck the budgets of the worst police departments.

spike wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Well and here's a guy with an alternate take:

But the article I posted above doesn't really parse this out. The language around reform really needs to get better defined and more nuanced, pronto

For sure. I’ve read various news sources mention Camden as a contemporary example, and others say there has been no modern example of this.

yeah i dont really know what it is but if people i kinda respect are posting about it let's just assume we should enact tomorrow

B wrote:How about just making civil forfeiture illegal? It's probably unconstitutional, and it would royally fuck the budgets of the worst police departments.

And keeping with this theme, making sure there aren't quota systems out there for ticketing and the like.

B wrote:How about just making civil forfeiture illegal? It's probably unconstitutional, and it would royally fuck the budgets of the worst police departments.

And is that the goal? To make police departments inoperable from a budgetary standpoint?

verb_to_trust wrote:

B wrote:How about just making civil forfeiture illegal? It's probably unconstitutional, and it would royally fuck the budgets of the worst police departments.

And is that the goal? To make police departments inoperable from a budgetary standpoint?

Can't speak for B but my understanding is that "defunding" is meant as removing a lot of the excess. They shouldn't be allowed to take your stuff (Civil forfeiture), shouldn't have these quotas that give incentive to "find crime" so they can stay on budget, and certainly don't need military equipment. If they can't operate without these things, that's an obvious, giant red flag and needs to be corrected.

wease wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:Team Dime. We’re addressing a systemic problem with policing here, not only the events of the past two weeks.

I don't disagree overall, but Dime's first message made it seem like it just happened. And given the circumstances of the story, I think a case could be made that it was suicide by cop... it's a horrible scene, but hugely different than the stories of countless others that were unarmed. And yes, even that could become debatable in this man's case.

In dime’s defense, he actually wasn’t the first one that posted about that. I don’t remember who it was, maybe B?, but it was up for days before dime ever posted it.

May be the case, it was the first I'd seen it and I was just suggesting Dime slow his roll a bit since he's posted twice now this week with inaccurate stuff (a photoshopped picture and this video which was presented as new rather than 5 years old*).

"This is where we are now, and it’s the reason we can experiment with reducing funding for cops and reallocating it elsewhere to see what makes a difference. These reallocations should be rigorously studied to see what works and what doesn’t, because data is power. It’s data that told us lead was responsible for the big crime drop of the past 30 years, and it’s data that has a chance of telling what more we can do going forward."

FROM HERE

elliseamos wrote:"This is where we are now, and it’s the reason we can experiment with reducing funding for cops and reallocating it elsewhere to see what makes a difference. These reallocations should be rigorously studied to see what works and what doesn’t, because data is power. It’s data that told us lead was responsible for the big crime drop of the past 30 years, and it’s data that has a chance of telling what more we can do going forward."

FROM HERE

oh my gosh

someone got paid to write that

and there are people sipping on acai smoothies somewhere that might believe it's that simple