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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:05 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:06 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Great performance/awful movie: The Steve Albini biopic
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:07 pm
by tree_
OK, but the characters are well-written. My question is, if the actor doesn't have something good to work with, can the performance be good?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:07 pm
by Anders
NBK is a much better example of your point, Leaving Las Vegas, is excellent.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:12 pm
by Anders
tree_ wrote:tommy wrote:tree_ wrote:OK Joe you can drop the schtick. You don't have to pretend to like Barby anymore.
Let us not forget that you have not seen the movie, but for some reason still have an opinion about it.
i don't need to see a movie to have an opinion about it, but you keep doing you
I haven’t seen Oppenheimer, but think it’s probably excellent, and will probably win Best Picture.
But I do think to have a valid negative opinion on Barbie (in numerous posts and threads), you need to have seen it.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:13 pm
by tree_
thanks, anders, but i've already commented on that and come clear of the schtick
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:17 pm
by Anders
tree_ wrote:thanks, anders, but i've already commented on that and come clear of the schtick
You’re welcome.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:19 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:20 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:34 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
tragabigzanda wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:Great performance/awful movie: The Steve Albini biopic
this is too far man
I'm a monster. Please remove me from this thread.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 3:40 pm
by BurtReynolds
I'm sure they play the roles fine, but a truly great performance requires great material. Great gymnasts can't get perfect 10s by doing simple routines. Great actors adequately playing basic roles isn't worthy of high praise.
I'm just talking about individual roles. The overall movie can suck. There are plenty of great performances in bad movies.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 4:42 pm
by tree_
Yes, but also consider Daniel Day Lewis in TWBB. From what I've heard, there isn't a whole lot there on the page for the character, but the collaboration between actor and director created a legendary performance. A good script can contribute to a great performance, while a bad one can hinder one, but sometimes it's best to just vaguely point in the right vicinity.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 6:42 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:Honestly no problem with Barbie or Ken getting best actor nods, because I think it’s fair to divorce the performance from the material. But best picture would be as Ruddo said, a grab for younger viewers.
The movie wasn't made for younger viewers, though. Younger people, in my experience, like it much less. So I'm not sure this take holds water.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Fri October 27, 2023 6:58 pm
by VinylGuy
Of course Barbie was made for young viewers. I think the best thing about the movie was how they hyped it with the whole pink thing, the soundtrack, etc...
Im sure it will gain a lot of nominations yeah.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 5:17 pm
by tommy
Will Matthew Perry make the In Memoriam?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 5:19 pm
by tree_
yeah he has enough hits to qualify, if you count the drugs
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 5:30 pm
by VinylGuy
tommy wrote:Will Matthew Perry make the In Memoriam?
im counting on those bastards to stand up when he appears or something
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 5:32 pm
by Jorge
epilogue wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Honestly no problem with Barbie or Ken getting best actor nods, because I think it’s fair to divorce the performance from the material. But best picture would be as Ruddo said, a grab for younger viewers.
The movie wasn't made for younger viewers, though. Younger people, in my experience, like it much less. So I'm not sure this take holds water.
74.6% of Barbie's audience was under 29 years old, it was biggest among Gen Z and young millennial women
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 6:35 pm
by epilogue
Jorge wrote:epilogue wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Honestly no problem with Barbie or Ken getting best actor nods, because I think it’s fair to divorce the performance from the material. But best picture would be as Ruddo said, a grab for younger viewers.
The movie wasn't made for younger viewers, though. Younger people, in my experience, like it much less. So I'm not sure this take holds water.
74.6% of Barbie's audience was under 29 years old, it was biggest among Gen Z and young millennial women
Is this something anyone actually wants to get into/unpack? Probably not. But let me know if I'm wrong.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Tue October 31, 2023 6:48 pm
by epilogue
Also, going back to Barbie and Oscars... I think there's more than a fair chance that it gets nominated for Best Song, too. I won't be surprised to see 7 nods.
